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Off-Topic => 100 Ball Franchise => Topic started by: mawallace on May 15, 2019, 12:21:13 PM
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https://www.thehundred.com/
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An action-packed, unmissable new 100 ball competition is coming next summer. One that puts you on the edge of your seat. Featuring some of the best players from around the world, competing in 8 brand new city-based teams.
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B*******.
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Why is there this idea that being 'City-based' widens the appeal? Football is not 'city based' they are clubs based in particular cities - a lame importation from Australia, where there is a greater emphasis upon city-level because most Aussies live in one of 5 cities. Where does our ECB marketing guru come from - Australia!?
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and now a press release!
https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/1220831?utm_campaign=1483960_150519_TheHundredLogo&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ECB%20Supporters&dm_i=2SX2,VT14,NUBCS,3B5AF,1
Of which the keys aspects are:-
Players draft 20 Oct - to be on SKY from 7pm
The Hundred is being launched to offer world class cricket, with matches completed in less than 2.5 hours.
The ECB is currently consulting with the PCA and counties on draft mechanics and specifics and further details will be announced in due course.
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That looks like the website of a local authority swimming pool.
Guess all the money will go on players.
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Yawn.
Lynda
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https://www.thehundred.com/
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An action-packed, unmissable new 100 ball competition is coming next summer. One that puts you on the edge of your seat. Featuring some of the best players from around the world, competing in 8 brand new city-based teams.
Just as well we're not hosting any of these games, because sitting on the edge of the seats in front of the pavilion is likely to result in splinters in very embarrassing areas.
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At the members Q & A they did imply the benches were going to be replaced. Winter 2020 was mentioned starting first with the pavilion.
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At the members Q & A they did imply the benches were going to be replaced. Winter 2020 was mentioned starting first with the pavilion.
Not exactly a project on the scale of HS2 or Crossrail is it?! When will there be some proper re-development of the ground?
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I must remember to watch Sky Sports on Oct 20 for the 100 player announcements - can't wait!!
Only kidding - what a waste of time ,money & space.
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Welcome to Slog It , cricketers to be auctioned off for franchise instant 100 ball cricket. Can you buy a BOGOF ?
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When or if there is a second season. Will the team finishing last get first pick in the draft and the winners last. Are the players graduating from the University Cricket Centres going into the draft as well. Can the teams swap draft picks in the pecking order for players.
These are what I would call a draft.
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In case you have not seen this elsewhere:-
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/cricket/ecb-apply-for-trademarks-for-six-hundred-teams-a4153931.html
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London Spirit (Lords) Welsh Fire (Cardiff), Southern Brave (Southampton), Birmingham Phoenix, Leeds Superchargers and Trent Rockets (Nottingham)
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Leeds Superchargers will not go down well with the rest of Yorkshire. Congratulations on already alienating a large percentage of your proposed new audience. You really could not make this drivel up.
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Thought there were supposed to be 8 teams, or are we remembering wrongly?
Lynda and Steve
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Woe betide if Manchester is included in the name of the OT team, it will alienate the rest of Lancs instantly especially Liverpool who definitely won't want to follow anything bearing the name Manchester.
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"Sky will show the competition with the BBC, which has not broadcast cricket in the UK since 2005"
and won't be broadcasting it in 2020, either.
Lynda
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The other teams will be...
The London Stabbers and the Liverpool Scroungers
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The other teams will be...
The London Stabbers and the Liverpool Scroungers
Calm down, calm down. Otherwise I'll send Danny Dyer round to lower your IQ...
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The other teams will be...
The London Stabbers and the Liverpool Scroungers
Calm down, calm down. Otherwise I'll send Danny Dyer round to lower your IQ...
And the Manchester Burglars
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Odd that US soccer teams use British sounding monikers to sound authentic whereas these 100 franchises have gone the other way & adopted Yank style names.
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The other teams will be...
The London Stabbers and the Liverpool Scroungers
Calm down, calm down. Otherwise I'll send Danny Dyer round to lower your IQ...
And the Manchester Burglars
Yes, we're very familiar with those... :-\
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In case you have not seen this elsewhere:-
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/cricket/ecb-apply-for-trademarks-for-six-hundred-teams-a4153931.html
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London Spirit (Lords) Welsh Fire (Cardiff), Southern Brave (Southampton), Birmingham Phoenix, Leeds Superchargers and Trent Rockets (Nottingham)
London Spirit sounds like a somewhat dodgy gin.
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I am waiting for the kit to be unveiled. I hope in line with everything else it is provided by an Imperial kit supplier. Especially for the ladies 100.
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In case you have not seen this elsewhere:-
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/cricket/ecb-apply-for-trademarks-for-six-hundred-teams-a4153931.html
London Spirit sounds like a somewhat dodgy gin.
I think we should sign Trent Rockets for next season. Presumably with that name he's a South African leggie?
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So us, MCC, Northampton and Middx are the London Spirit!!!!
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Northampton? That's the Midlands!
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In case you have not seen this elsewhere:-
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/cricket/ecb-apply-for-trademarks-for-six-hundred-teams-a4153931.html
London Spirit sounds like a somewhat dodgy gin.
I think we should sign Trent Rockets for next season. Presumably with that name he's a South African leggie?
Leggie? Sounds more like a quickie to me.
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Northampton? That's the Midlands!
From the article "For instance, London Spirit will be run by a combination of the MCC, the owners of Lord’s, Middlesex, Essex and Northamptonshire"
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Northampton? That's the Midlands!
From the article "For instance, London Spirit will be run by a combination of the MCC, the owners of Lord’s, Middlesex, Essex and Northamptonshire"
Cobblers!
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So many Counties will lose their identity in this stupid & unnecessary competition, but that's the ECB for you, they don't care about tradition & history.
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It's not so much tradition and history, Eagle - the ECB don't seem to realise that people are very tribal. Someone who supports team A is unlikely to want to support a team made up of players from teams B, C, D, E and F, plus one from their own team if they're lucky, plus a lot of bought-in foreign players. Now they're saying they want existing supporters to go along with this - rather than appealing just to a new audience, as they were in the beginning - I'm afraid they'll be unlucky.
Lynda
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It's not so much tradition and history, Eagle - the ECB don't seem to realise that people are very tribal. Someone who supports team A is unlikely to want to support a team made up of players from teams B, C, D, E and F, plus one from their own team if they're lucky, plus a lot of bought-in foreign players. Now they're saying they want existing supporters to go along with this - rather than appealing just to a new audience, as they were in the beginning - I'm afraid they'll be unlucky.
Lynda
Not sure this is completely accurate. In London they will get large crowds from the city-types out for a p*** up. May also get decent crowds in Manchester, Leeds, Nottingham, Birmingham due to cricket heritage. Can only see Cardiff and Southampton struggling.
Whatever, the ECB will spin it as a success.
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At a slight tangent I noticed how poor the crowd in Cardiff was for Afghanistan v Sri Lanka yesterday which suggests apathy in general, would suspect crowds won't be big for T20 Franchise/100 competitions.
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Not that we've ever been to a T20 match, but we've heard the take-up at some of the major grounds isn't great - I know Edgbaston has been mentioned in this regard. Do the ECB think that this Hundred thing will alter that?
We got the impression, Nat, that the city types who go to matches to drink aren't actually/necessarily supporters, it's just a place for a night out? As I say, never been to one, but from what the commentators say and reports on this forum, it's what we've been led to believe.
Lynda
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At a slight tangent I noticed how poor the crowd in Cardiff was for Afghanistan v Sri Lanka yesterday which suggests apathy in general, would suspect crowds won't be big for T20 Franchise/100 competitions.
There's been a problem, apparently with sponsors not taking up their allocated seats. Who would have thought that the ECB wouldn't have realised that might happen?
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Mr Square, to be fair to the ECB (which I'm not often) I think the ICC are in charge of the world cup and the sponsorship arrangements.
I must confess that when the tickets came out initially I looked at what was scheduled in London and was put off by the early start times (peak rail travel on weekdays) and ticket prices. I decided that with Essex being at home so much during the tournament that I wouldn't bother with it. I actually feel a bit detached from it all. I've watched snippets on TV but it hasn't really grabbed me, apart from the climax of the Bangladesh win over South Africa on Sunday. There does seem to be a bit of a cock up on the ticketing front, what with the Nottingham problems and then all these empty seats.
On the point about T20 attendances I think I read somewhere that Essex, Sussex and especially Somerset, all get larger T20 attendances than Glamorgan who will be hosting a 100 ball team. I also believe that gates at Southampton aren't as large as Taunton. Of course many counties include T20 in their membership packages, which Essex don't. My colleague who is a Sussex member was most surprised to hear it wasn't included in my life membership at Essex. I guess Chelmsford simply isn't big enough for that.
Lord's and the Oval are both a night out after work venue and I suspect that the 100 ball will probably work there. I'm not too sure about the other 100 venues. I lived on the edge of Leeds for a while and most people there drive to work (or use the bus) and driving to Headingley and parking up after work would be a bit of struggle. Doubtless loads of tickets will be given away, especially to school children. It did cross my mind that I wouldn't want to be moving a young family about in the late evening in central London after a game. Getting into the tube after T20 at Lord's and the Oval on the occasions when I've done it isn't the greatest!
I would have thought day games at weekends would work far better for that audience but probably not for the TV coverage. Chatting about it last week with my Northumberland based school teacher mate we thought this new tournament could be good news in as much as we might get some outground cricket in August. Apart from one T20 game he's going to in late July he's seen the last of Essex this season.
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A lot of good points Mr S., and of course you are right about tickets and the ECB and ICC.
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It's not so much tradition and history, Eagle - the ECB don't seem to realise that people are very tribal. Someone who supports team A is unlikely to want to support a team made up of players from teams B, C, D, E and F, plus one from their own team if they're lucky, plus a lot of bought-in foreign players. Now they're saying they want existing supporters to go along with this - rather than appealing just to a new audience, as they were in the beginning - I'm afraid they'll be unlucky.
Lynda
Not sure this is completely accurate. In London they will get large crowds from the city-types out for a p*** up. May also get decent crowds in Manchester, Leeds, Nottingham, Birmingham due to cricket heritage. Can only see Cardiff and Southampton struggling.
Whatever, the ECB will spin it as a success.
They’ll struggle to get good crowds in Manchester. Many Lancashire fans don’t come from the city itself. They come from towns such as Bolton, Wigan, Preston, Blackpool and the Cheshire area. These people will not go near a Manchester named team. Ditto Yorkshire and Leeds. I don’t think the Bears are that well attended in Birmingham and that’s not going to change.
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It's not so much tradition and history, Eagle - the ECB don't seem to realise that people are very tribal. Someone who supports team A is unlikely to want to support a team made up of players from teams B, C, D, E and F, plus one from their own team if they're lucky, plus a lot of bought-in foreign players. Now they're saying they want existing supporters to go along with this - rather than appealing just to a new audience, as they were in the beginning - I'm afraid they'll be unlucky.
Lynda
Not sure this is completely accurate. In London they will get large crowds from the city-types out for a p*** up. May also get decent crowds in Manchester, Leeds, Nottingham, Birmingham due to cricket heritage. Can only see Cardiff and Southampton struggling.
Whatever, the ECB will spin it as a success.
They’ll struggle to get good crowds in Manchester. Many Lancashire fans don’t come from the city itself. They come from towns such as Bolton, Wigan, Preston, Blackpool and the Cheshire area. These people will not go near a Manchester named team. Ditto Yorkshire and Leeds. I don’t think the Bears are that well attended in Birmingham and that’s not going to change.
You're making the mistake of thinking this circus is designed for existing (proper) cricket fans. It's not. It's designed for 20-20/football goers (ignore the marketing hype of attracting families). Man Utd/Man City have a combined home attendance of >100,000, Leeds Utd - > 30,000, Birmingham/Villa/Wolves/WBA - >100,000. Plenty of scope to attract the p*** heads.
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Nat you may well be right but it's being played in August when football has started up again!
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Nat you may well be right but it's being played in August when football has started up again!
The words 'ECB' and 'muddled thinking' were made for each other.
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I read on the way home last night, in the London Evening Standard, that a number of big name coaches are being lined up for these franchises. Apparently there is a £200k allocation to each franchise for coaching staff. A lot of overseas big names were being touted - Warne and Vettori, for example. I don't see how that is going to help UK cricket personally. I'd rather the money was spent on UK based people. (Well actually I'd rather the money was spent on coaches for youth cricket but that's another story).
There has also, reportedly, been a dispute about whether the Oval franchise should have "London" in its name (the ECB's preference) or "Oval" (Surrey and Kent's preference - those counties are managing the Oval franchise). Reportedly the counties' view has prevailed.
Has anyone heard anymore as to whether a ladies team will based at Chelmsford?
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The Surrey commentators said the other day that the Surrey franchise was to be called "Surrey Greats". They were underwhelmed at the news.
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The Surrey commentators said the other day that the Surrey franchise was to be called "Surrey Greats". They were underwhelmed at the news.
That'll encourage the Kent supporters to attend.
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The Surrey commentators said the other day that the Surrey franchise was to be called "Surrey Greats". They were underwhelmed at the news.
That'll encourage the Kent supporters to attend.
And indeed Essex supporters. The Oval seems to me to be easier to get to than Lord's from my part of the world so if I were to go to one of these fixtures (which I can't think I would) it would be there rather than Lord's.
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ECB being outmarketed by Surrey there I think
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The Surrey commentators said the other day that the Surrey franchise was to be called "Surrey Greats".
You sure they didn't say Surrey grates?
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Has anyone heard anymore as to whether a ladies team will based at Chelmsford?
Heard nothing since the member's forum and AGM where it was mentioned that outgrounds might be used for our 50 over game due to the fact that they were 'hoping' to host the women's team at Chelmsford
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The Surrey commentators said the other day that the Surrey franchise was to be called "Surrey Greats".
You sure they didn't say Surrey grates?
or Surrey Gates...?
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outgrounds might be used for our 50 over game
Bound to be Barren Park.
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I reckon Leyton might get a game. And Castle Park. Wouldn't it be nice if the club consulted the members?
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I think Surrey Greats is a touch pretentious, if I were a Kent fan I would not watch under that name, surely they can come up with a name that satisfies all parties? Also keep the ECB out of any name disputes as they'll only make things worse!
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I think Surrey Greats is a touch pretentious, if I were a Kent fan I would not watch under that name, surely they can come up with a name that satisfies all parties?
How about Surrey Greats + Sam Billings? ;D
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How about Kurry Bottoms?
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Now called Oval Greats
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How about Oval teenies?
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Or even Oval Balls!
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Manchester Originals based at Old Trafford, Manchester
Leeds Superchargers based at Headingley, Leeds
Birmingham Phoenix based at Edgbaston, Birmingham
Trent Rockets based at Trent Bridge, Nottingham
Welsh Fire based at Sophia Gardens, Cardiff
London Spirit based at Lord's, London
Oval Greats based at The Oval, London
Southern Brave based at Ageas Bowl, Southampton
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Manchester Originals based at Old Trafford, Manchester
Leeds Superchargers based at Headingley, Leeds
Birmingham Phoenix based at Edgbaston, Birmingham
Trent Rockets based at Trent Bridge, Nottingham
Welsh Fire based at Sophia Gardens, Cardiff
London Spirit based at Lord's, London
Oval Greats based at The Oval, London
Southern Brave based at Ageas Bowl, Southampton
Joke
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I can't see any 'neutrals' eg Kent fans supporting Oval Greats, Somerset & Gloucs re Welsh rarebits or whatever they're called.
Total farce!!
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More and more these names sound like comestibles. Oval Greats remind me of Oval Alberts (crackers for cheese) and Manchester Originals could have been set up to rival Duchy Originals. London Spirit, as has already been said, sounds like a new gin and Southern Brave and Welsh Fire surely must be spirits as well.
I thought people had been warning the ECB not to make the names too city-specific, to avoid alienating potential attendees from other areas?
Lynda
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I watched the Baseball game from the London stadium on Saturday. Taking into account half the 60000 crowd were American, that still leaves 30000. Looking at the crowd, they had got the family atmosphere that the 100 is looking for.
There are two games arranged for next year as well. Lets see if the 100 gets anywhere a crowd of 30000 at a game. I look forward to laughing at the near empty grounds on my TV. Just as in October American sports fans will laugh at the pathetic 100 player draft.
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More and more these names sound like comestibles. Oval Greats remind me of Oval Alberts (crackers for cheese) and Manchester Originals could have been set up to rival Duchy Originals. London Spirit, as has already been said, sounds like a new gin and Southern Brave and Welsh Fire surely must be spirits as well.
I thought people had been warning the ECB not to make the names too city-specific, to avoid alienating potential attendees from other areas?
Lynda
I don't think Manchester whatever it is will appeal to people in the Liverpool area.Or anywhere much outside Greater Manchester. And I can't see English people from the West of England falling over themselves for Welsh Fire.
Anyway, how much, ignoring transport costs, will it cost to watch this bumblepuppy? Do we yet know how much a standard ticket will be? Or a family one?
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More and more these names sound like comestibles. Oval Greats remind me of Oval Alberts (crackers for cheese) and Manchester Originals could have been set up to rival Duchy Originals. London Spirit, as has already been said, sounds like a new gin and Southern Brave and Welsh Fire surely must be spirits as well.
I thought people had been warning the ECB not to make the names too city-specific, to avoid alienating potential attendees from other areas?
Lynda
I don't think Manchester whatever it is will appeal to people in the Liverpool area.Or anywhere much outside Greater Manchester. And I can't see English people from the West of England falling over themselves for Welsh Fire.
Anyway, how much, ignoring transport costs, will it cost to watch this bumblepuppy? Do we yet know how much a standard ticket will be? Or a family one?
Well given that tickets for the England vs NZ game on Wednesday are going for £100+ (still available folks) then I'm going to guess £30/adult.
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I think the tickets will be cheap as they are desperate to avoid empty stadiums being seen on tv for their brave new world.
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Given that the games will be even shorter than T20 then they definitely shouldn't cost more (most I've paid is £32 on the day at The Oval), I'd agree £30 should be the top price especially if they're aiming for families then you're looking at approx £100 for 2 hours & a bit which is a lot.
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They'd have to pay me to go ...
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I watched the Baseball game from the London stadium on Saturday. Taking into account half the 60000 crowd were American, that still leaves 30000. Looking at the crowd, they had got the family atmosphere that the 100 is looking for.
There are two games arranged for next year as well. Lets see if the 100 gets anywhere a crowd of 30000 at a game. I look forward to laughing at the near empty grounds on my TV. Just as in October American sports fans will laugh at the pathetic 100 player draft.
I was there as well. Brilliant day, bring on next year! If only Essex could get a T20 at the ground, cheap prices and proper promotion on a good date with top oversees players and I don’t see why we couldn’t attract 30k
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Copy of article May2018 regards cricket at London Stadium
recent article suggests the London Stadium, would become a nightmare for any form of cricket.
First problem was glare at dusk from the surroundings especially the persplex canopy . So moving the wicket around was the answer, but the sight screens then hindered the reply screens. The press box was then in the wrong place with new temporary floodlights . The TV positions for football and cricket required all new locations and more with cricket to accommodate . Alas when all considered 30,000 empty seats, half the original captiicity was the result .
Too many no bums on seats was the final no no for World Cup 2019 fixture .
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Yes I recall this. ECB seriously wanted to hold World Cup there but couldn't due those issues and more.
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Anyone seen the stories of Warwickshire using a guaranteed 100 ball contract with their franchise team as a way to attract players? Could they have done this to Dan Lawrence?
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Anyone seen the stories of Warwickshire using a guaranteed 100 ball contract with their franchise team as a way to attract players? Could they have done this to Dan Lawrence?
https://warwickshireccc.com/news/club-statement/
They're denying it but I guess they would do! I'm not really sure how it will work.
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It wouldn't surprise me. Any word on Lawrence and a new contract?
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It wouldn't surprise me. Any word on Lawrence and a new contract?
He's an Essex boy. Probably doesn't even know where Warwickshire is.