Essex Outfielder : The Unofficial Essex CCC Forum
Cricket => Essex Eagles T20 => Topic started by: squarelegs on August 12, 2016, 03:40:41 PM
-
We've started a campaign to help prevent the ECB from forcing through changes to the T20 competition format that, if introduced, could result in huge financial pressure on County clubs.
The new "CITY LEAGUE" plan would merge 18 counties into 8 city teams, leaving fans to switch allegiance from their current county side.
Fuelled by a desire to clear venue debts created by their previous ill-conceived plans, the latest "fix", if unsuccessful, will result in potentially devastating consequences for many counties across the country.
As membership clubs, it is YOUR decision what happens to our game and, at present, the ECB have excluded the members from any of the decision making process.
They've even resorted to insisting that all of the County CEO's sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement to prevent them talking about the details!
To find our more about the issues, read our arguments and sign our petition, please visit our website at:
www.saveourcounties.com
Many thanks for your support
-
I'm all in favour of saving the counties.
If Essex get frozen out of T20 it will be just deserts though.
-
Signed.
-
I'm all in favour of saving the counties.
If Essex get frozen out of T20 it will be just deserts though.
I know we get the lowest rainfall in the country but even with global warming I can't see the ECG turning into a big sandpit!
-
I'm all in favour of saving the counties.
If Essex get frozen out of T20 it will be just deserts though.
Petition duly signed, I don't agree with VP re Essex & just desserts though!!
-
The club have prioritised Crash-Bang-Wallop above all else & failed miserably at it.
If they've missed the boat I won't be shedding any tears.
-
The club have prioritised Crash-Bang-Wallop above all else & failed miserably at it.
If they've missed the boat I won't be shedding any tears.
You're happy to see the end of the club, then? RIP ECCC 1876-2017?
-
If Essex go bust it will be because of mgt incompetence not being excluded from a T20 franchise.
-
If Essex go bust it will be because of mgt incompetence not being excluded from a T20 franchise.
Yes it will. Although this is not to overlook the mgt incompetence, of course.
-
I thought the whole point of franchise cricket was kickbacks.
Essex can reintroduce that Floodlit Cup.
They might even win it.
-
I thought the whole point of franchise cricket was kickbacks.
Essex can reintroduce that Floodlit Cup.
They might even win it.
Nope. The idea of franchises is to destroy the county system. In effect, it will utilise the oversized and far too numerous test grounds, plus a token venue or two, then some bright spark will say why bother with a fully professional 18 team system when you can just have 10?
-
Bob Willis might finally crack a smile then.
I imagine that there will be a fudge & 2 division T20 will be introduced.
Essex will of course be in with the also rans.
-
I'm all in favour of saving the counties.
If Essex get frozen out of T20 it will be just deserts though.
Petition duly signed, I don't agree with VP re Essex & just desserts though!!
Signed too, and agree!
-
Surely T20 /20 games will still played by counties regardless of franchise cricket ?
The franchise system will take the best home grown players into the set up, but their skills/ talents have to be shown somewhere, developed at first class level to be recognized .
-
Surely T20 /20 games will still played by counties regardless of franchise cricket ?
The franchise system will take the best home grown players into the set up, but their skills/ talents have to be shown somewhere, developed at first class level to be recognized .
I don't think there is enough support amongst the public for both franchise and county T20 cricket. There would be only one winner.
-
Interesting article on Espncric info
http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2016/content/story/1048211.html
-
A very good and well reasoned article. The 2 division plus a knock-out competition makes complete sense and builds on what we have now rather than ripping it all up and starting again for the possible benefit of a few counties. Clubs with large grounds can pull in big crowds as Surrey and Middlesex prove, the likes of Warwickshire who fail to miserably despite having a million or more people within 10 miles of the ground have only themselves to blame. Unfortunately at the top of the game we have someone who denigrates a competition run by his organisation, motivated the West Indies to beat England before he even took office and supposedly gave the South African the impression that he could still have a future with England. Compared to that the Essex hierarchy doesn't look too bad.
-
The most reasoned article that I have read on this subject. Graves has always been a bully and I will be delighted if he "is gone by Christmas". He loaned Yorkshire money for years at rates far above those generally available so he is no benefactor.
-
Signed the petition. Good luck with it.
-
Well Northants proved that being a big club does not automatically brings success.
-
An excellent article , well written & balanced, while I have no love for Northants it makes me so glad that as the underdogs they managed to win the T20 Blast again over 3 much bigger Counties inc Graves' own Yorkshire (I only have an axe to grind with Graves not Yorks).
Just look at the winners over the years - Leics 3, Somerset, Kent, Sussex, Northants 2, some of the bigger Counties have never won it - Yorks, Notts, Durham.
-
I sympathise with the petition and have signed it, but I think at the back of it all is a bigger problem. In 2003 when it started in England, T20 was just a bit of a laugh -it wasn't really even new since something similar, sometimes with 8 ball overs, had been played at club level on midsummer evenings in many areas for years. Since then it has become the cuckoo in the nest which is doing its best to throw out the other occupants. You can see this at every level-domestically with the constant changes in scheduling and now the controversy over the Franchise ideas, and internationally with the plethora of tournaments taking players away from Test cricket. Today we have two Tests being played totally out of season, in WI and SA, both virtually washed out, which would not have been played at this time but for the congestion in the calendar caused by T20. T20 can be sold very easily as an entertainment to people who don't care about the outcome, which is why yesterday's Finals Day offered only 800 tickets to each of the contestant counties so they could pre-sell it to people who just came for the day out. The way things are going it can only end one way, by forcing red ball cricket further out to the margins or beyond into extinction. We need to ask if we care about that-I'm afraid too many influential people in cricket give every impression of not doing so.
-
Signed the petition.
"Gagging orders" never a good thing!
-
Franchise T20 has been given the green light.
2017 or bust for Essex then.
-
But we voted in favour. It now has to go to the members so let's see how they try and sell it. Time to force an alliance with Surrey? And Kent and Sussex.
-
It appears it's franchise cricket and the T20 blast. So there will still be more chances for Essex to claim the holy grail. As they don't seem to have listened to the petition I hope people will vote with their wallets. I for one will be saving my T20 pounds for Chelmsford.
If Slurry and Middlesex supporters do the same the new competition could be in trouble.
-
But we voted in favour. It now has to go to the members so let's see how they try and sell it. Time to force an alliance with Surrey? And Kent and Sussex.
When were members canvassed about this?
-
Horrible decision by the ECB and Counties :(
If this is to be run along the lines of the IPL and Australia etc i.e. in a concentrated 4+ weeks window, then when on earth is this going to be fitted in?
Hope its a huge failure for ALL concerned, including Essex as we voted for it!
-
City-based T20.
City of Chelmsford?
-
City-based T20.
City of Chelmsford?
Nice thought but I think pretty unlikely!!!!!.........
Guess it will be along the lines of London, Cardiff, Birmingham, Manchester, Nottingham, Leeds, Newcastle & Taunton/Brighton?
Don't think too many Derbyshire fans for example, would be too keen to be shouting for "team Nottingham"!!
-
It appears it's franchise cricket and the T20 blast.
Reckon the T20 Blast will end up at the same stature as the League Cup in football now.
-
If Slurry and Middlesex supporters do the same the new competition could be in trouble.
Most of the people who go to Lord's & the Oval for T20 are office workers out on the lash.
Stick some juggling on & they would probably still turn up.
-
But we voted in favour.
Nigel Hilliard.
Gone but (his ECB voting record) not forgotten.
-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37365637
Theres a lot more on here especially from Essex
And Essex chairman Faragher said there was more to the vote than a simple yes or no.
"It's been put out there that Surrey, Sussex and Kent said 'no' and people have been ringing up asking 'why did Essex agree to it?'," he told BBC Essex.
"That's not strictly correct. What I said was, when they came around for the vote, that I'm happy for the discussions to go forward subject to certain caveats and one of those is that I can't fully agree to this until I have seen all the details. I need to know exactly what I'm signing up to.
"In principle I will go along with it but there has to be further consultation. This is not cast in stone.
"We - Essex - have given the go-ahead for them to move down the road with this proposal but no more than that."
The ECB statement did not go into the specifics of the agreement, but Essex chairman John Faragher revealed some of the working details in an interview with BBC Essex:
The eight teams will contain some overseas players, with other players selected from counties
Matches will be played at Test grounds, but under the control of the ECB
It will be a two/three week tournament so the players will be released by their counties and essentially sign with the ECB for that period
Counties that are not hosting any games will receive somewhere in the region of £1.3m
The new T20 is "not a franchised competition"
"The competition is planned and being talked about but that's as far as it's got. There is work to be done," added Faragher.
"They are looking at 2018, possibly 2019, but that is not cast in stone yet - it could be 2020 because we have got to get it right."
-
I enjoy and watch all formats but the membership gives far less cricket for the money than the days when we had 8 Sunday and 2 b&h games included. Now we only have 4 lo games but the discount on t20 helps justify paying membership. Not sure that will still be the case when we lose players to this latest ludicrous idea from Graves and co. Disgrace that Essex have not stood with Surrey, Sussex and Kent on this, but are happy to sell the future of the club for a pittance. EGM anyone?
-
This is better than an independent financed and run system. However potentially the first case of turkeys voting for Christmas.
One crumb of comfort is that I get the impression that the way faragher is talking it might launch just after the completion of the ground development.
-
If Slurry and Middlesex supporters do the same the new competition could be in trouble.
Most of the people who go to Lord's & the Oval for T20 are office workers out on the lash.
Stick some juggling on & they would probably still turn up.
That's true. Perhaps the litmus test will be Birmingham, Notts, Cardiff and Durham. They don't have a brilliant record for supporting the countyT20. If most of that support is county based then perhaps the city team will struggle....we live in hope.
-
Will county cricket stop during the franchise period? If so why not play a short sharp 40 over tournament at grounds not hosting the franchise games?
-
Will county cricket stop during the franchise period? If so why not play a short sharp 40 over tournament at grounds not hosting the franchise games?
All the best oneday players would be playing the T20 Some counties would lose over half their team. Who would watch it?
-
Faragher says "I" rather a lot in that statement then suddenly says "We - Essex - ..."
When are members going to be consulted about their views??!
-
But we voted in favour. It now has to go to the members so let's see how they try and sell it. Time to force an alliance with Surrey? And Kent and Sussex.
No we didn't ... apparently. Farragher said that Essex and several other counties only voted in favour of moving to the next stage. Lots of details to be firmed up *and* counties to consult their members.
We *must* stop this.
-
All the best oneday players would be playing the T20 Some counties would lose over half their team. Who would watch it?
[/quote]
Quite agree with you Jason.No one would watch so the counties should play their own tournament using some fringe players
-
Irregardless of Essex members views , one thought will cross the chairmans mind, the ECB bribe of £1.3m - end of . Already voted yes in all but name, rather than a strictly no .
-
Irregardless of Essex members views , one thought will cross the chairmans mind, the ECB bribe of £1.3m - end of . Already voted yes in all but name, rather than a strictly no .
The chairman will do what the members tell him to do. We need to mobilise the whole membership and not leave it to the usual suspects.
-
Money talks. £1.3 million up for graps.
Will the chairman really listen to members?
With a diluted T20 and one less Championship game, if they get this windfall will members get a reduction in their membership fees?
No response needed , we all know the answer.
-
To be honest as long as there is no further reduction to the county championship I couldn't care less about this. I doubt it will work in England - made up sports teams generally haven't succeeded in other sports such as rugby league. I also reckon most cricket fans live outside the big cities so there will be a difficult marketing job to be done by the ECB. They'll have to get a new audience or persuade people like me to commute into Lndon to watch. Maybe Essex could use their £1.3 million to keep the Colchester festival going? If this goes through they certainly couldn't argue that it had to go on financial grounds.......
-
To be honest as long as there is no further reduction to the county championship I couldn't care less about this. I doubt it will work in England - made up sports teams generally haven't succeeded in other sports such as rugby league. I also reckon most cricket fans live outside the big cities so there will be a difficult marketing job to be done by the ECB. They'll have to get a new audience or persuade people like me to commute into Lndon to watch. Maybe Essex could use their £1.3 million to keep the Colchester festival going? If this goes through they certainly couldn't argue that it had to go on financial grounds.......
You will care when they take 80+ players from the counties to staff the city teams and leave the counties to play their CC games with diminished teams.
-
To be honest as long as there is no further reduction to the county championship I couldn't care less about this. I doubt it will work in England - made up sports teams generally haven't succeeded in other sports such as rugby league. I also reckon most cricket fans live outside the big cities so there will be a difficult marketing job to be done by the ECB. They'll have to get a new audience or persuade people like me to commute into Lndon to watch. Maybe Essex could use their £1.3 million to keep the Colchester festival going? If this goes through they certainly couldn't argue that it had to go on financial grounds.......
The more successful it is the more it will be expanded. If a 2/3 week tournanment works it will be doubled and then the CC will be reduced you can be pretty sure of that. I don't think Lords or The Oval will have much trouble getting people in, the rest I'm very doubtful about. The key to the success of the whole thing will be if they can get any free to air TV coverage, especially a few matches shown live. If they can do that then the competition, like it or not from the Essex point of view, will be successful as far as promoting the game in this country.
-
I don't watch T20 - I tend to follow games on the radio and leave it at that. So a question to those who do follow the format - which current Essex players would make a franchise team if the competition had been running this year?
-
I don't watch T20 - I tend to follow games on the radio and leave it at that. So a question to those who do follow the format - which current Essex players would make a franchise team if the competition had been running this year?
RTD, Foster, Napier, Westley.
-
I don't watch T20 - I tend to follow games on the radio and leave it at that. So a question to those who do follow the format - which current Essex players would make a franchise team if the competition had been running this year?
RTD, Foster, Napier, Westley.
Bopara would easily, on this years form Zaidi as well.
-
Tendo, Fossie, Westley, Ravi on form & maybe Zaidi.
I for one won't pay to go & watch these Franchise teams, sorry City teams with a token Essex player in them & I will NOT repeat NOT cheer players from Sorry, Kent etc, ordinary fans , real supporters have been sold out on this.
-
I wonder if there is a little more to the club's support.
Big bash has a team at Sydney Olympic stadium and I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of ours ends up at Stratford Olympic Stadium. The club has clearly been a little keener on getting a game on at Stratford recently and these T20 talks have been ongoing under wraps. Putting two and two together and you get London Eagles. The 3 week window would fit the football close season. Hmm.
I have a feeling MCC might be a bit unsure about bish bash bosh super hyped T20 at Lords. Could they fit it around the Lords major match schedule?
Oval, Stratford, Manchester, Leeds, Nottingham, Birmingham, Southampton, Cardiff is my guess.
-
To be honest as long as there is no further reduction to the county championship I couldn't care less about this. I doubt it will work in England - made up sports teams generally haven't succeeded in other sports such as rugby league. I also reckon most cricket fans live outside the big cities so there will be a difficult marketing job to be done by the ECB. They'll have to get a new audience or persuade people like me to commute into Lndon to watch. Maybe Essex could use their £1.3 million to keep the Colchester festival going? If this goes through they certainly couldn't argue that it had to go on financial grounds.......
championship will be down to ten games a year before you know if.
-
To be honest as long as there is no further reduction to the county championship I couldn't care less about this. I doubt it will work in England - made up sports teams generally haven't succeeded in other sports such as rugby league. I also reckon most cricket fans live outside the big cities so there will be a difficult marketing job to be done by the ECB. They'll have to get a new audience or persuade people like me to commute into Lndon to watch. Maybe Essex could use their £1.3 million to keep the Colchester festival going? If this goes through they certainly couldn't argue that it had to go on financial grounds.......
championship will be down to ten games a year before you know if.
Of course it will, and that is exactly what the anti-championship brigade among ex players in the media, Atherton, Vaughan, Willis etc have been after for years. Yet another change foisted on us by those who have probably never paid to get into a cricket ground in their lives.
Actually there's a more basic point and it's about the importance of sportsmen being rooted in a team that represents their home and attracts supporters from the same place. The endless multiplication of T20 tournaments must lead before much longer to an international circuit on which the same players keep playing with or against each other month by month,a bit like Formula 1 or tennis but under the banner of various bogus "teams" that lack any real local roots. It will attract the sort of person who just wants to be at an event for the sake of it, the kind of lamebrain who leaps about trying to catch a six or does "look at me" poses in daft disguises. Well, they can keep it as far as I'm concerned. I'm trying not to let this news spoil the end of a good Essex season but you do have to ask yourself what all the efforts have been for when the suits in power serve up this kind of thing.
-
Sussex, Kent and Surrey have balls.
As a members club Essex should ask the members.
-
Excellent post Postman. I agree with every word. As to people suggesting Members should protest, wake up this thing is not designed to attract Members. We are resented and have no power at all. They are trying to attract "the future" supporters and could not give a monkeys about the people who actually go to championship cricket. We are totally taken for granted as they know we turn up and moan regardless.
-
Faragher's statement doesn't make sense as I thought the club were implacably opposed to franchise cricket as a matter of principle-. If three counties can try and stop it in its tracks why could'nt we?They will argue that this strictly speaking isn't a franchise but in effect it is - 80 plus players hi jacked by an unaccountable centralised body who will soon ask why they are giving the spoils away rather than keeping it for themselves. This is unequivocably a death knell for county cricket and should be opposed relentlessly at every turn. As a members club surely the whole membership should be canvassed for their views as has happened at Sussex and Somerset but of course it won't happen here as they know what the outcome would be. They will sell their soul and our souls for the shortest of short term 30 pieces of silver.
Any success achieved in the future in the 4 day or 50 over game - assuming we survive as an entity- would be devalued as for the duration of this City based farce would leave competitions as effectively 2nd team matches. The only hope is that the whole thing is such a ridiculous concept that it will fall flat on its face
-
Totally agree with Pablo. If it's a success there is no way grounds staging it will want to stage games in an inferior 18 team competition as well They will want more of the city thing. 2-3 weeks is short in comparison to other countries
-
signed. the only way this can work is to make it happen over 2 weeks max and stop everything else. it works in Convictland because they all live in one of 6 or 7 places.
how many people that watch cricket actually live in London? as somebody above said, city boys on a jolly only, and he's right.
hope it falls apart. and I shall be bending Mr Faragher's ears later on today, if he isn't hiding in the committee room.
-
Apparently surrey are not having the city thing in the oval I am sure the mcc is not so keen to have it at lords that leaves probably the Olympic stadium and after getting caught up with west ham fans disgruntled at not being able to stand up. There is going to be problems. Easy to picket though.
-
Maths is not my strong point but I think 1.3 times 18 is 23.4. Presumably this is new money and clear profit after paying players and the host counties. Seems overly optimistic to me for a two week tournament. Most of this would be expected to come from the TV contract. Can't see BBC bidding even with the money they've saved from bake off. So the odds are it will be on Murdoch TV with perhaps some on BT sport.
If some of the games are not on free to air TV then the ECB's claim to be growing the game will prove to be so much hogwash.
The zECB need to remember that cricket makes money to exist not the other way around.
-
Its not new money going to be generated by this as its completely cannibalistic, with it running concurrently it will take money away from the shires. People who watch this, will be the same as those who would otherwise have watched the Blast. very few 'new' fans will go to watch it. Unless they give tickets away, you will still see half full grounds at Sofia Gardens, the Ageas, Trent Bridge, Old Trafford, Edgbaston, Headingley and the Riverside (if used). Indeed Warwickshires name change in T20 has had. I remember reading, 0 to negative impact on attendances and aliented countless members.
The Oval and Lords will always sell out or be close to as its an easy after work jolly up, and will remain so regardless of who's playing.
You have to think there will be 2 London teams (regardless of what people are saying on here, I'm sure the Oval and Lords will be hosts, if not the Olympic stadium will be used), Birmingham, Leeds, Manchester, Cardiff, Nottingham, Southampton. That's 8 teams already. Maybe Durham labelled as Newcastle in stead of one of them, although no idea whom as Cardiff is seen as strategic.
We are hard done by, but even more so are West Country fans as there nearest team will be Cardiff, unless they roam via Bristol and unlikely Taunton, as a Western Wanderers side.
I cannot see how it will work in any way as the demographics are completely different here to Oz, most people do not live in cities, and by centralising it in cities you are taking away access from most if the population. Not to mention alienating countless existing followers in places like York's and Lancs - Scousers wont support a Manchester team and most of York's will hate a Leeds team.
The whole scheme is a disgusting short term blinkered greedfest, driven by those who want to destroy county cricket in all forms as we know it, supported by ex players who have benefitted from it yet now despise it, Atherton Strauss, Willis, Vaughan etc.
Graves is a disgusting human being successful yet, but a horrible person and Harrison is little better. They have got their wish however and will have destroyed the shires and the county game long term as we know it.
Its inevitable long term, the counties will become semi professional, as the minor counties are now, with all cricket played in regions/cities or franchises. At least when that happens the existing 1st class counties along with the current minor counties will form a truly national competition, albeit it semi pro at best. At least then 'festivals', well at least more grounds, will be used you would think but it will be a pale imitation of what we have now.
Sad times.
-
I am in favour of all this.
One simple reason all the cretins can disappear off to the franchise. They can go to the Olympic stadium and stand during play to their hearts content. Just look at a West Ham United home game for a guide of how to be socially unacceptable in sports stadia.
-
The official blurb is that not enough people who follow cricket remotely actually come to a game and there are not enough new supporters coming through. This is despite the introduction of T20 in this country several years ago, so the ECB's solution is to introduce more of the same allowing Sky to marginalise the coverage to 20 odd percent of the population AND make it all even more remote by having just six teams at city stadia. Well done brain boxes, next step T20 on the moon with coverage sold to North Korean TV.
-
According to today's Daily Mail Harrison is quoted as saying that the aim is for artificial pitches for the Franchise comp - I can't see Surrey or MCC allowing their hallowed turfs to be dug up especially as The Oval is one of the best wickets in England & MCC won't want Lords disfigured, that kind of lets in Stratford especially if the tournament is played in July in 2/3 weeks.
-
I don't often praise the ECC management but they should be commended for arranging a Q and A session at very short notice on the last day of the Glamorgan game last week and also for arranging a proper forum for October 4th on the T20 scheme. Unfortunately I'll be away but I hope everyone who can be there takes the chance to turn up and leave the committee in no doubt about how many members feel about this. (And if someone would be kind enough to post a short report on here,that would be great)
-
I went to the forum last night and put my thoughts in the AGM page at the top of the board. would be very happy to answer any questions on the ECB T20 response from ECCC as that was the only subject covered.
-
Looks like ECB might have taken on board the opposition to the t20 franchise being played at the same time as the championship. Latest wheeze is a new limited overs competition involving minor counties. One county chairman has had the temerity to suggest the ECB is making it up as it goes along.
-
Looks like ECB might have taken on board the opposition to the t20 franchise being played at the same time as the championship. Latest wheeze is a new limited overs competition involving minor counties. One county chairman has had the temerity to suggest the ECB is making it up as it goes along.
So not too different to my idea about playing some 40 over games in that period.
-
Looks like ECB might have taken on board the opposition to the t20 franchise being played at the same time as the championship. Latest wheeze is a new limited overs competition involving minor counties. One county chairman has had the temerity to suggest the ECB is making it up as it goes along.
you couldn't make it up!
-
Looks like ECB might have taken on board the opposition to the t20 franchise being played at the same time as the championship. Latest wheeze is a new limited overs competition involving minor counties. One county chairman has had the temerity to suggest the ECB is making it up as it goes along.
you couldn't make it up!
An emergent strategy, as we would tell our students.
-
Perhaps it's a part of the long term strategy for when the Test grounds finally manage to cast the rest of us aside increasing the number of minor counties by 10.
-
Looks like ECB might have taken on board the opposition to the t20 franchise being played at the same time as the championship. Latest wheeze is a new limited overs competition involving minor counties. One county chairman has had the temerity to suggest the ECB is making it up as it goes along.
you couldn't make it up!
An emergent strategy, as we would tell our students.
SNAFU
-
Now it's off till 2020. Resign Graves and Harrison, resign!
-
ECB the gift that keeps on giving. And I was naive enough to think it was a plan a day.
-
Now it's off till 2020. Resign Graves and Harrison, resign!
The club will be pleased though.
3 more bites at that elusive cherry.
-
Actually the year 2020 would be the appropriate year for change to T20 when you think about it
-
Actually the year 2020 would be the appropriate year for change to T20 when you think about it
Graves should be pensioned off by then ... hopefully.
-
Now it's off till 2020. Resign Graves and Harrison, resign!
Where is your source for this?
-
BBC & Talksport
-
See our chairman may have regretted his vote for "yes"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37858871
-
Bearing in mind those Counties not staging these matches are getting 1.3m each these Counties have not surprisingly gone for the easy option ie the 'sweetener' now, in many cases it will reduce or pay off long term/rising debts but more & more it resembles Turkeys voting for Christmas. It would be interesting to see the views of Forums of County Clubs who will stage matches eg Hants, Yorks etc.
-
See our chairman may have regretted his vote for "yes"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37858871
What a pr@t. Suddenly realised in the cold light of November what he's voted for?
Sounds like someone who thought he was spending a boozy night with Jessica Ennis, only to wake up next to Jesse Ryder...
-
See our chairman may have regretted his vote for "yes"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37858871
What a pr@t. Suddenly realised in the cold light of November what he's voted for?
Sounds like someone who thought he was spending a boozy night with Jessica Ennis, only to wake up next to Jesse Ryder...
He and the other chairmen voted for nothing more than the fact that they were happy to explore the chance of a new competition. In reality what he voted for was of no real relevance whatsoever as there is no firm proposal at this stage.
And Essex chairman Faragher claimed it was "not strictly correct" to say his country had agreed to the proposal.
"What I said was, when they came around for the vote, that I'm happy for the discussions to go forward subject to certain caveats," he told BBC Essex.
"One of those is that I can't fully agree to this until I have seen all the details. I need to know exactly what I'm signing up to.
"In principle, I will go along with it, but there has to be further consultation."
-
He and the other chairmen voted for nothing more than the fact that they were happy to explore the chance of a new competition. In reality what he voted for was of no real relevance whatsoever as there is no firm proposal at this stage.
And Essex chairman Faragher claimed it was "not strictly correct" to say his country had agreed to the proposal.
"What I said was, when they came around for the vote, that I'm happy for the discussions to go forward subject to certain caveats," he told BBC Essex.
"One of those is that I can't fully agree to this until I have seen all the details. I need to know exactly what I'm signing up to.
"In principle, I will go along with it, but there has to be further consultation."
Utter piffle. Nothing has changed since he voted yes for negotiations. His stated concerns were already obvious before the vote. Either he's a pr#t, he's stupid or trying to make himself look good when the lesser counties become minor counties.
-
Either he's a pr#t, he's stupid or trying to make himself look good
If Hilliard was still chairman all of the above would apply.
-
JF should have realised how his vote would be interpreted. 'In favour in principle' means ... in favour!
He should resign now.
-
He and the other chairmen voted for nothing more than the fact that they were happy to explore the chance of a new competition. In reality what he voted for was of no real relevance whatsoever as there is no firm proposal at this stage.
And Essex chairman Faragher claimed it was "not strictly correct" to say his country had agreed to the proposal.
"What I said was, when they came around for the vote, that I'm happy for the discussions to go forward subject to certain caveats," he told BBC Essex.
"One of those is that I can't fully agree to this until I have seen all the details. I need to know exactly what I'm signing up to.
"In principle, I will go along with it, but there has to be further consultation."
Utter piffle. Nothing has changed since he voted yes for negotiations. His stated concerns were already obvious before the vote. Either he's a pr#t, he's stupid or trying to make himself look good when the lesser counties become minor counties.
Nothing official has changed but there has probably been plenty of informal discussions between chairman since. The fact is nothing concrete has been decided yet as result of the vote or otherwise. It seems to have been a pretty pointless vote anyway as there was no concrete proposal to vote on.
-
Surrey commissioned an independent report and guess what? It says the city based tournament will produce no more income for counties than a system with all 18 involved. It's been shared with all of the counties so let's see how the ECB spin this.
-
I know we're not supposed to like Surrey, but have to say that I admire them for refusing to go with the big ground flow on this issue. Pity our chairman didn't vote with them at the first meeting rather than leaving the door open as he did.
-
I know we're not supposed to like Surrey, but have to say that I admire them for refusing to go with the big ground flow on this issue. Pity our chairman didn't vote with them at the first meeting rather than leaving the door open as he did.
Agreed. Surely even an idiot could detect it was the 'thin end' of an indigestible wedge...then again.
-
I know we're not supposed to like Surrey, but have to say that I admire them for refusing to go with the big ground flow on this issue. Pity our chairman didn't vote with them at the first meeting rather than leaving the door open as he did.
They make more money out of the existing competition than any other county. The Oval always gets very big crowds. The new competition would mean them sharing their profits with other counties
-
Well aware of that and I don't doubt that their position on this owes much to self interest, nevertheless they have increased their crowds over the years to the stage that they are now introducing a ballot for the Middlesex game next year. The ECB plan is all about increasing control over the counties and funnelling funds to the northern and midlands cities bransgroveshire and others who have spent heavily on their grounds, but have failed to attract decent crowds. Anything else is a red herring. Pity Farragher, whatever he says now, did not oppose it at beginning.
-
Well aware of that and I don't doubt that their position on this owes much to self interest, nevertheless they have increased their crowds over the years to the stage that they are now introducing a ballot for the Middlesex game next year. The ECB plan is all about increasing control over the counties and funnelling funds to the northern and midlands cities bransgroveshire and others who have spent heavily on their grounds, but have failed to attract decent crowds. Anything else is a red herring. Pity Farragher, whatever he says now, did not oppose it at beginning.
Agreed. No one is suggesting that Slurrey are acting out of pure altruism. Whilst they might have certain competitive advantages (only London-based club to own their home ground) they've always been quick to earn the money - whereas those other counties were too quick to spend it...then wonder why they're in trouble when the crowds don't magically flock in.
-
So the ECB say they won't make the Oval a t20 city venue if they continue to oppose it. They say they are going to use Beckenham instead. I've heard of downsizing but really.
-
So the ECB say they won't make the Oval a t20 city venue if they continue to oppose it. They say they are going to use Beckenham instead. I've heard of downsizing but really.
Face nose spite.
-
So the ECB say they won't make the Oval a t20 city venue if they continue to oppose it. They say they are going to use Beckenham instead. I've heard of downsizing but really.
Face nose spite.
Playground more like.
-
So the ECB say they won't make the Oval a t20 city venue if they continue to oppose it. They say they are going to use Beckenham instead. I've heard of downsizing but really.
The source is?
-
So the ECB say they won't make the Oval a t20 city venue if they continue to oppose it. They say they are going to use Beckenham instead. I've heard of downsizing but really.
The source is?
The Times
-
So the ECB say they won't make the Oval a t20 city venue if they continue to oppose it. They say they are going to use Beckenham instead. I've heard of downsizing but really.
The source is?
The Times
That rag !!!!!!!
-
Smacks of desperation, trying to get Kent to change sides.
-
Beckenham doesn't have the best transport connections & is 10-15 minutes walk from the railway station I think, don't know about parking but it is in a residential area so doubtless there will be Residents Parking only areas etc!!
-
Beckenham doesn't have the best transport connections & is 10-15 minutes walk from the railway station I think, don't know about parking but it is in a residential area so doubtless there will be Residents Parking only areas etc!!
It does have a bit of roadside parking on one side of the ground but while that is ok for a CC match, it would be completely inadequate for a T20.
-
Smacks of desperation, trying to get Kent to change sides.
Yep. Changing tunes each week from the ECB.
-
On Thursday (8th December), there was a meeting of all the county chairmen at Lord's to further discuss franchaise cricket in England. Try as I might, I cannot find any info to have come out of this meeting. The alarms bells inside my head are ringingh ?!?!?
-
it would be completely inadequate for a T20.
Saw Essex play a T20 game there.
There wasn't room to swing a cat.
-
it would be completely inadequate for a T20.
Saw Essex play a T20 game there. There wasn't room to swing a cat.
Is that what passes for half-time entertainment on the other side of the river?
-
If they're considering Beckenham why not Garon Park? That would finish off franchises for good!
-
I am all for keeping the game going at county level. I think perhaps Essex County council should be contacted and involved in this as it is all for the good of the whole county at the end of the day. I found a form today where you can make your views directly to the council online (could even win a shopping voucher you could give the Mrs as a christmas present lol). Its here http://essexfuture.org.uk/
Anyway, should we think about setting up a lobbying group, maybe involving the other counties too. They wont listen unless the mass of the supporters shouts loudly on this one imo.
-
If they're considering Beckenham why not Garon Park? That would finish off franchises for good!
Slogger!! You're a freakin' Genius! Call the ECB - tell them ECCC is refusing to sign up for City T20...and nothing will change their minds...absolutely nothing. ;)
-
On Thursday (8th December), there was a meeting of all the county chairmen at Lord's to further discuss franchaise cricket in England. Try as I might, I cannot find any info to have come out of this meeting. The alarms bells inside my head are ringingh ?!?!?
sounds like you know to much already, is there a man in a blazer and Panama hat standing across the road from your house right now ? Be careful, be very careful. If they come for you we will deny all knowledge of your existence. Sorry old boy but otherwise you'll get us all killed.
-
On Thursday (8th December), there was a meeting of all the county chairmen at Lord's to further discuss franchaise cricket in England. Try as I might, I cannot find any info to have come out of this meeting. The alarms bells inside my head are ringingh ?!?!?
sounds like you know to much already, is there a man in a blazer and Panama hat standing across the road from your house right now ? Be careful, be very careful. If they come for you we will deny all knowledge of your existence. Sorry old boy but otherwise you'll get us all killed.
Don't worry Jimmy, the Panama hitman would probably miss...
-
Looks like Daren's fears were well placed. The draft format starting in 2020 (you couldn't make that up could you?) has been released. It will see 6 tests the 50 over comp and new 2020 all run at the same time with the two finals clashing. There is more but for the benefit of Jimmy it's in The Thunderer!
-
Looks like Daren's fears were well placed. The draft format starting in 2020 (you couldn't make that up could you?) has been released. It will see 6 tests the 50 over comp and new 2020 all run at the same time with the two finals clashing. There is more but for the benefit of Jimmy it's in The Thunderer!
Thank you, I am going for a lie down in a darkened room......
-
A depressing article by George Dobell today suggests the ECB's next target is county academies-too many, they say, so let's reduce them to eight. Am I being paranoid about this? See http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2017/content/story/1082417.html
-
A depressing article by George Dobell today suggests the ECB's next target is county academies-too many, they say, so let's reduce them to eight. Am I being paranoid about this? See http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2017/content/story/1082417.html
No. Looks like Strauss has a plan to reduce cricket to being played only in public schools. He's very nearly done it.
-
A depressing article by George Dobell today suggests the ECB's next target is county academies-too many, they say, so let's reduce them to eight. Am I being paranoid about this? See http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2017/content/story/1082417.html
There are some good comments worth reading posted below the article - the one from MaidstoneEast particularly resonated with me.
-
It looks like they've consulted with the County Academies (who are hardly going to agree to reorganisation aka closure) & subsequently ignored their views!!
Good to see that yet again the ECB have the interests of the Counties at heart!!
-
Reducing numbers results in higher standards, so the ECB believe, except of course when it comes to the number of ECB employees. Funny, we are told too few people watch four day cricket, surely I and my fellow spectators are merely raising our standards, I've always thought I was superior to the T 20 riff raft.
-
I've always thought I was superior to the T 20 riff raft.
A T20 riff raft sounds like a good idea to me.
Set them adrift so the rest of us can watch proper cricket.
-
Australia is often quoted as the bench mark for the number of first class cricket teams. the Australian population is about 24.5 Million, England and Wales is about 68.5 million. Australia has 6 first class states ie 1 per 4 million. England/wales has 18 ie 1 per 3.6 million.
In their T20 they have 8 teams (1 per 3 million) so maybe we need 18/19 teams. ie the number of counties we now have, maybe plus one more.
-
In their T20 they have 8 teams (1 per 3 million) so maybe we need 18/19 teams. ie the number of counties we now have, maybe plus one more.
Norfolk-inchance.
-
Australia is often quoted as the bench mark for the number of first class cricket teams. the Australian population is about 24.5 Million, England and Wales is about 68.5 million. Australia has 6 first class states ie 1 per 4 million. England/wales has 18 ie 1 per 3.6 million.
In their T20 they have 8 teams (1 per 3 million) so maybe we need 18/19 teams. ie the number of counties we now have, maybe plus one more.
Using the Australia bench mark, there should be about 400 teams in the IPL!
-
Using the Australia bench mark, there should be about 400 teams in the IPL!
KP might even get a gig with one of them.
-
Interesting article in the Torygraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/02/16/ecb-told-allay-fears-english-players-will-sidelined-new-twenty20/
It appears that the PCA have concerns about the impact on their members. It will be interesting to hear the ECB response!!!
-
Interesting article in the Torygraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/02/16/ecb-told-allay-fears-english-players-will-sidelined-new-twenty20/
It appears that the PCA have concerns about the impact on their members. It will be interesting to hear the ECB response!!!
The PCA wants big competitions paying big wages but doesn't want that higher profile to extend to big names from overseas, they would rather keep the trough for their own members snouts. While this is the duty of a union they can't have it both ways. I don't want to see another over blown T20 jamboree for the usual lazy, greedy suspects, Gayle, Bravo, Morgan et al with all the monies going into foreign bank accounts any more than the PCA do but the difference is I want to see investment in the game instead of hyper wages for hyped up English players.
-
This is well worth a read:
http://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/92526/stakes-high-for-counties-as-england-edge-closer-to-new-t20-competition
-
This is well worth a read:
http://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/92526/stakes-high-for-counties-as-england-edge-closer-to-new-t20-competition
Indeed, the game in this country has been undermined by at least two decades of incompetent leadership. Back in the 1980s it at least wiped its own nose, without having to rely upon massive ECB handouts because the latter have encouraged counties to waste money on pointlessly large stadiums although no-one outside of the small, aging (and/or middle class) audience.
Ratcliffe is one of the very few ex-county cricketers who understands that the ECB plan is to destroy the game in this country - then (somehow) rebuild from the ruins. Even though it's a little left-field, his idea for a 3-tier conference system at least doesn't undermine the whole fabric of the county system.
-
This is well worth a read:
http://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/92526/stakes-high-for-counties-as-england-edge-closer-to-new-t20-competition
Indeed, the game in this country has been undermined by at least two decades of incompetent leadership. Back in the 1980s it at least wiped its own nose, without having to rely upon massive ECB handouts because the latter have encouraged counties to waste money on pointlessly large stadiums although no-one outside of the small, aging (and/or middle class) audience.
Ratcliffe is one of the very few ex-county cricketers who understands that the ECB plan is to destroy the game in this country - then (somehow) rebuild from the ruins. Even though it's a little left-field, his idea for a 3-tier conference system at least doesn't undermine the whole fabric of the county system.
The T20 Blast still does pretty well in the country. A lot of counties get good crowds. I still don't get what they think they'll achieve with the new city based tournament. For some reason certain people think it's going to mean new fans flocking to a city based tournament that wouldn't normally go to the current version. Why that is I don't know.
This is from 2015. Only 2 years ago.
http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12123/10076035/cricket-attracts-record-crowds-for-domestic-and-international-games
-
It's a bright shiny new toy and it gives the Tarquins at Lords something to do.
-
It's a bright shiny new toy and it gives the Tarquins at Lords something to do.
"When I am King they will be first against the wall..."
-
Jonathan Liew, in the Telegraph on Monday, wrote an interesting article about the Big Bash. Apparently, the Tasmanian element of the Bash is a team called the Hobart Hurricanes, who get the smallest crowds of all grounds, not helped by the residents of Launceston, who don't fancy supporting a team with 'Hobart' in its title or the 6-hour round trip to watch them. He also re-iterated the problem that, whereas two-thirds of Australians live in the six cities hosting the tournament, the same does not apply in this country.
No thought seems to have been given to how all these new fans will get to the matches, apart from those in the cities themselves. As county fans, we all make an effort to travel to see our team: our own journey to watch Durham is about 50 minutes by car, but would be much longer by public transport (10 minutes walk plus 25 minutes on the 'bus, just to get to Darlington to catch the train) and some of you have even longer journeys. Is it likely that people who have never bothered with cricket before will suddenly devote themselves to a four-hour round trip to watch a couple of hours of sport played by a collection of individuals who may have nothing at all to do with the name of the team? Existing local rivalries will also come to the fore: will you be able to persuade Liverpudlians to go and watch a team called Manchester? Because if you can't, you'll never fill the ground.
Lynda and Steve
-
The short answer is that the ECB want games played at bigger grounds a la Oz in the belief that they'll get bigger crowds a la Oz.
5000 at the ECG or 5000 at Worcester doesn't cut it for the ECB.
-
It's a bright shiny new toy and it gives the Tarquins at Lords something to do.
"When I am King they will be first against the wall..."
" If they had one neck I'd hack it through "
-
The short answer is that the ECB want games played at bigger grounds a la Oz in the belief that they'll get bigger crowds a la Oz.
5000 at the ECG or 5000 at Worcester doesn't cut it for the ECB.
well the ECB better start with a mass migration scheme to shift 90% of the population of this country to 8/10 cities, then initiate a global climate control network in order to ensure that nearly all T20 cricket is played on dry, warm evenings and finally, and most difficult of all, brain wash the population into feeling that cricket is at least as important as football so that the crowds won't be tempted to stay at home and watch a world cup match between Ivory Coast and Tuvalu.