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Cricket => Essex Eagles T20 => Topic started by: bwildered on August 07, 2016, 06:00:20 PM
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Best wishes boys for Notts q/f .
Will Ravi return from illness to captain the side ?
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Best wishes and good luck to the team tomorrow. Cannot make it to the game but will be watching on the TV.
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Looks like we are back to full strength. Both teams have a very poor recent history in Quarter Finals but someone has to win. Can't help feeling that we have been treated pretty unfairly having to play the day after a tough 4 day game while our opponents have had the whole week off to prepare. We'll see tonight how the likes of Masters and Napier are able to cope with it.
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Nice but not surprising!!! to see that all the "injuries" from a few days ago have cleared up!! Have a good feeling about tonight, think we can spring a surprise as we are for once, the big underdogs.
Edit: Bit worried though seeing Walter in the team again!!
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Chasing 162 after a good bowling/fielding performance. C'mon boys.
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It's all going horribly wrong
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How pathetic has this been. Giving the second and third over to Walter was ridiculous; Zaidi's second ball was absurd; Lawrence before Napier just made you think we had simply given up. We would have walked that match with Fletcher as captain. Truly appalling
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Batting imploded. Browne, Westley and Bopara ... again.
Ravi doesn't look right. Something definitely wrong. Domestic issues again?
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Absolutely clueless...
Walter bowling a third over was bad enough...
Lawrence on one leg batting above Napier....please enlighten me???
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How pathetic has this been. Giving the second and third over to Walter was ridiculous; Zaidi's second ball was absurd; Lawrence before Napier just made you think we had simply given up. We would have walked that match with Fletcher as captain. Truly appalling
Yep village cricket. Silverwood needs to take responsibility for this shambles.
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Ryder's dismissal was really unlucky and who knows what might have happened if he had stayed in. Notts showed the value of a decent spin attack in T20. Until we get one we are likely to be perennial also rans.
Hope Lawrence will be ok for the proper cricket.
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Obsession with batting second, mentally week when the pressure is applied and batting order strange at best. Once we had the start we just needed to milk the spinners and we just crumbled. I am afraid it is a recurring theme. Captaincy is NOT for Ravi he must concentrate on his batting no one in their right mind would have bowled Walter again when they had two spinners still to bowl, Chopra must become captain as soon as he walks into the club so we can get the carefree Ravi back.
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We have one, but was only allowed to bowl one over even when pace was getting smashed everywhere.
I do hope Ravi is going to give up the captaincy, it was beyond dreadful tonight
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Batting imploded. Browne, Westley and Bopara ... again.
Ravi doesn't look right. Something definitely wrong. Domestic issues again?
He missed the CC because he was ill. Perhaps he's still not in the best of health.
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Batting imploded. Browne, Westley and Bopara ... again.
Ravi doesn't look right. Something definitely wrong. Domestic issues again?
He missed the CC because he was ill. Perhaps he's still not in the best of health.
Perhaps. Then again if it were something else I wouldn't expect to be told the truth.
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He missed the CC because he was ill. Perhaps he's still not in the best of health.
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Well if that is the case he shouldn't have damn well been captain. Incidentally if he wins the toss in the 50 over QF, please can some players with a tad more intelligence and cricketing nous, advise him to bat first. He might back the batsmen to chase a target, but no one else does.
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Yet another 1/4 final bottled when we were in a decent position & plenty of attacking players to come, Ryder must be gutted after giving Essex such a good start, yet again too many got out to poor strokes as we got bogged down & became desperate. Felt sorry for Lawrence who really struggled even to walk whilst batting & surely Napes should have gone in before him, Walter had an over too many & I noticed after his second over when he went for 15 no one came & had a quiet word with him to settle/console him (poor captaincy).
Surely even on an away ground it is better to get your runs & then challenge the opposition to chase them bearing in mind all our recent 1/4 final defeats have resulted from batting second - will we ever learn?
I've said it before (for the last few seasons) that we need to seriously look at our 1 day strategy & method of playing as it clearly isn't working!!
One last thing - great credit to Notts bowlers & fielders geed up & roared on by a very passionate crowd>
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Difference between the two sides is a decent bowling attack has against mix & match, with Championship D1 team with strength of dept .
Ryder got his quota, but unthoughtful batting by the collective ( how many single figures ) did not get us nearly close .
Cannot play like that for 40 overs and deserve to win - fact .
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He missed the CC because he was ill. Perhaps he's still not in the best of health.
Well if that is the case he shouldn't have damn well been captain. Incidentally if he wins the toss in the 50 over QF, please can some players with a tad more intelligence and cricketing nous, advise him to bat first. He might back the batsmen to chase a target, but no one else does.
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We have batted second in every match so far in the 50 competition, twice chasing down scores of 300+. I think he's very unlikely to change now. 20 overs is different I think we should probably have batted first. Saying that we should have won the game anyway.
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Well, I get dragged round the shops after hearing Taylor say that 162 was a disappointing score. Glad I did, what a shambles.
What's wrong with Lawrence? Napes collided near the end so perhaps he was held back because of that.
I did wonder why Walter was given 3 overs whilst a much more experienced Zaidi gets one. Then I remembered: Zaidi is a spinner. Silly me. Does the fact we keep batting second indicate that it wasn't all Larrys fault, but presumably written into the constitution?
All a shame because there were some outstanding performances with the ball. Napes and RtD particularly.
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It's becoming a bit of habit this. The following could have been written at any point over the past six years and longer, but hey, the Club love repetition;
Essex use the same inflexible tactics; win the toss, bat second. This was thus under Grayson and now Silverwood, it is clearly a Club policy, rather than an individual coach or captain's choice. They arrogantly underestimate the opposition and assume they'll win - meanwhile the opposition, have seen the telegraphed Essex tactics before they've even arrived at the ground and countered them effectively. This being No Change Essex they never learn, and always know best. Meanwhile medium pace is preferred whilst spin is never trusted. It's as good as it is ever likely to get as far as T20 is concerned with our clueless county. Now an ageing and arthritic side, with players who look very good on paper but when placed under any pressure, crumble and disintegrate.
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He missed the CC because he was ill. Perhaps he's still not in the best of health.
Well if that is the case he shouldn't have damn well been captain. Incidentally if he wins the toss in the 50 over QF, please can some players with a tad more intelligence and cricketing nous, advise him to bat first. He might back the batsmen to chase a target, but no one else does.
We have batted second in every match so far in the 50 competition, twice chasing down scores of 300+. I think he's very unlikely to change now. 20 overs is different I think we should probably have batted first. Saying that we should have won the game anyway.
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Correct. 162 was very gettable and a good start to the batting should have meant the later batsmen could knock the ball around. Browne showed what he is ... a good but limited player who is unable to manipulate the ball around the field. Westley pressed the panic button and as for Zaidi...very disappointing. Seemed to believe his own publicity.
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It's becoming a bit of habit this. The following could have been written at any point over the past six years and longer, but hey, the Club love repetition;
Essex use the same inflexible tactics; win the toss, bat second. This was thus under Grayson and now Silverwood, it is clearly a Club policy, rather than an individual coach or captain's choice. They arrogantly underestimate the opposition and assume they'll win - meanwhile the opposition, have seen the telegraphed Essex tactics before they've even arrived at the ground and countered them effectively. This being No Change Essex they never learn, and always know best. Meanwhile medium pace is preferred whilst spin is never trusted. It's as good as it is ever likely to get as far as T20 is concerned with our clueless county. Now an ageing and arthritic side, with players who look very good on paper but when placed under any pressure, crumble and disintegrate.
I don't think they're arrogant they are just crap under pressure. In big games they choke. We generally get to these quarter finals with the tactic of bowling first a chasing a total. These tactics get us there but for some reason when it comes to the knockout matches they continually fail to perform.
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It didn't hit me just how old our side was tonight until I looked on cricinfo.
Presumably the music chosen is appropriate - 'who do you think you are kidding Mr Bopara?', 'there'll be yellow eagles over the white stilettos of Chelmer village' as well as that perennial favourite the Theme from Last of the Summer Wine...
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Not quite true! The average age of our squad was 30.6, theirs 30.4. Notts had two players aged 37, we only had one 38, then 36
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What a complete and utterly pathetic horlicks of a performance from bottlers Essex, ONCE AGAIN (apart from Napes and Tendo's bowling).
Nothing else to add.
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Reasons for all to see tonight, why Notts are in Division One and Essex are in Division Two. Inferior batting and inferior bowling, complemented by mental disintegration when pressure builds up and bottle is required.
The gulf was embarrassing, but was it really a surprise to many of the supporters who have seen the team play this season. I suspect not.
Very sadly utterly predictable. We just never seem to learn. The bowlers did a reasonable job. Was Ravi the only player to persist with Walter in the misguided belief, that he might actually buy him a wicket, albeit at about 15 an over. Once again Ravi must have forgotten that Zaidi was playing and that Westley was not even trusted to bowl an over, when it was clear that pace off the ball was the way to go, ably demonstrated by Patel and Tahir, a formidable duo, and the difference between the sides' spin attack. Wake up Ravi.
No - it was the batsmen again who let us down, with the very honourable exception of Jesse Ryder. His dismissal turned the game, no doubt, but the lemming like rush to commit suicide, must have surprised even the most pessimistic Essex supporter. I now fully understand what deja vu means, only this time it was in sickening colour and did not stop. Horrible.
All the salient points and observations have been made already tonight, so there is no point in me merely repeating them, beyond the fact that Essex's unswerving desire to bowl first and supposedly enjoy chasing down a total, belies what many of us suspect, that Ravi has no faith in his side posting a competitive score. He hopes the opposition will mess up their innings, not knowing what a good score is, and we win by limping over the line.
The next month promises to be a very testing time for the team. Warwickshire look every bit as daunting as Notts were tonight. Even if we gained promotion, looking very suspect as a large amount of bottle is usually required for the run in, and ours is rather empty currently. Our chances of survival in Division One, given the likely strength of our bowling attack, can only be rated as minimal and that sadly, reflects loyal optimism.
We all love you Essex but you always give the supporters a very bumpy ride and tonight was no exception. Thank goodness I can delete tonight's horror recording.
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Reddevil, that was another excellent post. Keep ‘em coming.
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Bottled a knock out game again.
Seeing as it is always the coaches fault it is all down to Silverwood and he has got to go.
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Reasons for all to see tonight, why Notts are in Division One and Essex are in Division Two. Inferior batting and inferior bowling, complemented by mental disintegration when pressure builds up and bottle is required.
The gulf was embarrassing, but was it really a surprise to many of the supporters who have seen the team play this season. I suspect not.
Very sadly utterly predictable. We just never seem to learn. The bowlers did a reasonable job. Was Ravi the only player to persist with Walter in the misguided belief, that he might actually buy him a wicket, albeit at about 15 an over. Once again Ravi must have forgotten that Zaidi was playing and that Westley was not even trusted to bowl an over, when it was clear that pace off the ball was the way to go, ably demonstrated by Patel and Tahir, a formidable duo, and the difference between the sides' spin attack. Wake up Ravi.
Agreed, another excellent post,mind you there won't be a job for you as ECCs Press Officer as you are too honest & write the truth!!
No - it was the batsmen again who let us down, with the very honourable exception of Jesse Ryder. His dismissal turned the game, no doubt, but the lemming like rush to commit suicide, must have surprised even the most pessimistic Essex supporter. I now fully understand what deja vu means, only this time it was in sickening colour and did not stop. Horrible.
All the salient points and observations have been made already tonight, so there is no point in me merely repeating them, beyond the fact that Essex's unswerving desire to bowl first and supposedly enjoy chasing down a total, belies what many of us suspect, that Ravi has no faith in his side posting a competitive score. He hopes the opposition will mess up their innings, not knowing what a good score is, and we win by limping over the line.
The next month promises to be a very testing time for the team. Warwickshire look every bit as daunting as Notts were tonight. Even if we gained promotion, looking very suspect as a large amount of bottle is usually required for the run in, and ours is rather empty currently. Our chances of survival in Division One, given the likely strength of our bowling attack, can only be rated as minimal and that sadly, reflects loyal optimism.
We all love you Essex but you always give the supporters a very bumpy ride and tonight was no exception. Thank goodness I can delete tonight's horror recording.
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Seeing as it is always the coaches fault it is all down to Silverwood and he has got to go.
He's got a bit more rope but continual failure should not be tolerated like it was with Grayson.
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Seeing as it is always the coaches fault it is all down to Silverwood and he has got to go.
He's got a bit more rope but continual failure should not be tolerated like it was with Grayson.
His ideas seem to be working well so far. In fact if it wasn't for William Winstone we may have struggled under the pressure last night.
http://www.essexchronicle.co.uk/promoted-silverwood-push-players-hard/story-28378864-detail/story.html
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Not quite true! The average age of our squad was 30.6, theirs 30.4. Notts had two players aged 37, we only had one 38, then 36
We have RtD who is virtually 36, Zaidi nearly 35, as well as Fossie and Napes (36) and hoddy (38). Ravi and Jesse won't see 30 again. Notts have players looking forward to their 30th, which explains the closeness in average age, but they have a better balance of ages - dare I say it, better quality throughout the squad.
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Winstone out!
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Winstone out!
Exactly my thoughts. If we want a 'proper' psychologist I have a colleague who's a fully trained occupational psychologist. She's also a very keen kickboxer/martial arts practitioner. She might be just what we need.
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So Chris Silverwood doesn't want to make excuses for the Notts defeat ... and then goes on to make one.
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after a 6 hour round journey ravi has put me off going to another game while he is captain. his leadership was poor to say the least and his batting was awful and who made the decision to send in ashar at 4 ? was this just because it was a q final ? laughable really, has bopara forgot he is an england international ?
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after a 6 hour round journey ravi has put me off going to another game while he is captain. his leadership was poor to say the least and his batting was awful and who made the decision to send in ashar at 4 ? was this just because it was a q final ? laughable really, has bopara forgot he is an england international ?
When we lost at Lords in the 50 over comp the other week there were people moaning that Zaidi wasn't pushed up the order. I thought it was a pretty good idea to send him up in this match. Two spinners who turn the ball into the left handers were bowling and so it was a pretty logical move to get a left hander in. Easier for the left hander to hit than the right handers. I very much doubt he was under the instruction to try and hit every ball for six.
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after a 6 hour round journey ravi has put me off going to another game while he is captain. his leadership was poor to say the least and his batting was awful and who made the decision to send in ashar at 4 ? was this just because it was a q final ? laughable really, has bopara forgot he is an england international ?
When we lost at Lords in the 50 over comp the other week there were people moaning that Zaidi wasn't pushed up the order. I thought it was a pretty good idea to send him up in this match. Two spinners who turn the ball into the left handers were bowling and so it was a pretty logical move to get a left hander in. Easier for the left hander to hit than the right handers. I very much doubt he was under the instruction to try and hit every ball for six.
If he’d actually hit a few more boundaries, as he did the last time, we’d all be saying what an inspired decision it was!
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20/20 is a lottery. One player often decides a game, in this case Patel, the other week Zaidi. Accept it for what it is. Notts are going to be playing second division cricket next season.
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20/20 is a lottery. One player often decides a game, in this case Patel, the other week Zaidi. Accept it for what it is. Notts are going to be playing second division cricket next season.
It is a lottery but why do so many of our choking performances come on finals day or the quarter final? Can only be a mental issue, in short they bottle it.
We seem fine when there is the safety net of a next game in a group stage but freeze when it is down to what happens on the day.
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Whilst all types of cricket can see matches flip favourites in a short space of time, I think that it is more difficult to turn around 20/20 games than 2 innings formats. Similarly, some improvisation e.g. Zaidi going up the order, makes sense but looks poor if it doesn't come off. Problem is, you begin to wonder whether there is a definite gap between us and teams who win trophies.
This was the case in the 1970s when we'd look favourites then fall apart at the end of the season. Back then, it was deficiencies in key departments (we had to wait until the triumph rate of Hardie, McKewan and Gooch hit consistent form) as well as a collective naivety (I.e. No one in the team had actually won any trophies until Denness came along). There's clearly comparisons with the first point nowadays (won't repeat here) but not with the second - which is very frustrating. However, looking at the ages of our trophy winning senior pros, that is a problem.
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I'm glad to see we have devoted so much time, money and effort to prioritise this 20;20 malarkey. I mean we 're obviously really good at it, so good that we can afford to give Bopara and Ryder a rest from a vital championship match ( sorry they were, of course, ill and /or injured immediately before) which, as we all know is, top of our agenda.
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I'm glad to see we have devoted so much time, money and effort to prioritise this 20;20 malarkey. I mean we 're obviously really good at it, so good that we can afford to give Bopara and Ryder a rest from a vital championship match ( sorry they were, of course, ill and /or injured immediately before) which, as we all know is, top of our agenda.
Ryder has not been properly fit all season and is averaging 26 with the bat anyway. If you want to play Zaidi in the team then he wouldn't make the team on merit. He hasn't played a CC game since the 22nd of June and has missed T20 games injured as well. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's played his last CC game for us and if we lose next week at Warwickshire I think there's a good chance he'll go back to New Zealand early. He doesn't look fit for 4 day cricket at the moment.
As for Bopara I would be surprised if he was rested simply because the likes of Napier and Masters would be much more likely to have been rested than him. The fact is he was in the squad and was basically replaced by Tom Moore who was in the middle of second team match when the game started.
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I'm glad to see we have devoted so much time, money and effort to prioritise this 20;20 malarkey. I mean we 're obviously really good at it, so good that we can afford to give Bopara and Ryder a rest from a vital championship match ( sorry they were, of course, ill and /or injured immediately before) which, as we all know is, top of our agenda.
Well we are top of the table so we must be doing something right.
Even if it was Chef filling his boots at the start of the season.
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Lovely to see Yorkshire beaten by Durham and well done to Northants on reaching the final by beating Notts even without 3 of their star players, shame on you Essex, (beaten up by spin)
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Is it me our do Northants look like they have been at the pies (not harming their T20 form).
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Is it me our do Northants look like they have been at the pies (not harming their T20 form).
Think Northants set themselves up with 20/20 totally in mind. It's okay to dig out Essex about their relative lack of success in this format, but posters wouldn't like it much (to say the least) if they thought that Essex were only interested in one particular strand.....
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Northants have just shown (again) that winning a major trophy as a 'small' County can be done, that's twice in 4 years now & good luck to them, in the last couple of overs in the Final v Durham if that was us we would have blown it (Middlesex at Lords in RL recently springs to mind).
Northants have no real stars, although Duckett is getting more mentions now than ever, & they all work for each other with an obvious high team spirit & ethic.
I didn't watch all of it but a part of me just wished Essex could have been there...
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Essex were there.
Elie came third in the mascot race!
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Is it me our do Northants look like they have been at the pies (not harming their T20 form).
Rory Kleindvelt certainly has. Big time
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Lovely to see Yorkshire beaten by Durham and well done to Northants on reaching the final by beating Notts even without 3 of their star players, shame on you Essex, (beaten up by spin)
I'm not much of a 20:20 man, but I watched both of the semis and enjoyed them. Part of this was supporting the underdogs, no doubt but what a treat watching Ben Duckett bat and Mark Wood bowl. Has any other bowler completely shafted Joe Root so thoroughly this year?
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Good to see Notts lose yesterday after dumping the lads who got them there with their "star" players...Hales and Broad both dreadful - what must poor Greg Smith be thinking...
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Good to see Notts lose yesterday after dumping the lads who got them there with their "star" players...Hales and Broad both dreadful - what must poor Greg Smith be thinking...
If you were in charge you'd have really picked Greg Smith over Alex Hales? I know he got 50 against Essex but he didn't have a great tournament. Hales is one of the best 50 over/T20 over openers around. Should Yorkshire not have picked Root and Bairstow over the "lads who got them there"?
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Is it me our do Northants look like they have been at the pies (not harming their T20 form).
Rory Kleindvelt certainly has. Big time
As Bumble commented, "he's had a lot on his plate".
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Good to see Notts lose yesterday after dumping the lads who got them there with their "star" players...Hales and Broad both dreadful - what must poor Greg Smith be thinking...
If you were in charge you'd have really picked Greg Smith over Alex Hales? I know he got 50 against Essex but he didn't have a great tournament. Hales is one of the best 50 over/T20 over openers around. Should Yorkshire not have picked Root and Bairstow over the "lads who got them there"?
Would Essex have picked Ally if they had been there? Probably, in previous Finals days he hasn't let Essex down, agreed though it is a bit hard on those who get their Counties there though.
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Jason, tough call isn't it - pick the man in form or pick an international player who has been in poor form all summer...
Yorkies decision was easier - Bairstow for Hodd straight forward and Root/Ballance came in for a couple of bowlers one of which had already joined our club the other a youngster who only played his 3rd t20 match of his career in the quarters!!!
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Jason, tough call isn't it - pick the man in form or pick an international player who has been in poor form all summer...
Yorkies decision was easier - Bairstow for Hodd straight forward and Root/Ballance came in for a couple of bowlers one of which had already joined our club the other a youngster who only played his 3rd t20 match of his career in the quarters!!!
Smith has played a lot for Notts this year. 12 4 day innings with 1 50, 18 white ball innings with 3 50's. So 4 50's in 30 innings. Hales made plenty of runs against Sri Lanka(3 50s in 5 Test innings) plus an ODI century in one of the only 3 ODIs he was fit for. Then when Pakistan turned up with a decent bowling attack he struggled. In my opinion he's not out of form he's just not that good. Plenty of runs against modest Sri Lankan bowling and not many against good Pakistan bowling.
Rhodes is only on loan for the 4 day stuff. He was there on Saturday and left out. There's a good chance he'll play in the 50 overs semi finals.
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Jason, tough call isn't it - pick the man in form or pick an international player who has been in poor form all summer...
Yorkies decision was easier - Bairstow for Hodd straight forward and Root/Ballance came in for a couple of bowlers one of which had already joined our club the other a youngster who only played his 3rd t20 match of his career in the quarters!!!
Smith has played a lot for Notts this year. 12 4 day innings with 1 50, 18 white ball innings with 3 50's. So 4 50's in 30 innings. Hales made plenty of runs against Sri Lanka(3 50s in 5 Test innings) plus an ODI century in one of the only 3 ODIs he was fit for. Then when Pakistan turned up with a decent bowling attack he struggled. In my opinion he's not out of form he's just not that good. Plenty of runs against modest Sri Lankan bowling and not many against good Pakistan bowling.
Rhodes is only on loan for the 4 day stuff. He was there on Saturday and left out. There's a good chance he'll play in the 50 overs semi finals.
Sounds like you're enhancing my point !!!