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Off-Topic => Bob Willis Trophy. => Topic started by: LeedsExile on September 05, 2020, 05:12:04 PM
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I wonder if both teams having to play today will affect their performances tomorrow? In Middlesex's case they will have a very late night as well to contend with. We also have the scenario of players such as both Cooks, Porter & Browne returning having had no cricket for a couple of weeks. With the 10.30 start as well do not be surprised if there are a lot of early wickets.
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Westley hasn't had much batting in the last couple of weeks, .........keeps getting out early!
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I hope Nick Browne plays. I'm a believer in players gaining confidence from playing sides they've done well against in the past and Browne hit 200 against this lot last time he played them at Chelmsford. If the pitch is like it was against Surrey, play Nijar and use Walter as a third seamer, if not play Allison or Beard.
Browne
Chef
Lawrence
Khushi
Walter
Tendo
Wheater
Harmer
Nijar/Allison/Beard
Cook
Porter
Unfortunately though, Westley will play. Can sense a Tim Murtagh masterclass on the cards.
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I sense the toss could be crucial and whoever bats to be at least 5 down by lunch. Scores around the country are often low after returning from 20/20 matches to Championship stuff.
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So Middlesex have chosen to bat first. Let's hope they got that wrong.
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So Middlesex have chosen to bat first. Let's hope they got that wrong.
I think it was always likely they'd bat first. Harmer is the big threat at Chelmsford and they wouldn't want to bat last against him.
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Westley playing as a specialist captain again.
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Anyone seen a pitch inspector?
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Anyone seen a batting coach?
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Another tricky day for both sides, stating the obvious the first session tomorrow is absolutely vital for us, we have to get a lead of some kind, if we can reach 200 & actually get a batting point would be good. We have plenty of time, no need to rush & if necessary grind out the runs, knowing Tendo though that is unlikely!
Sky Sports News showed some highlights inc Simon Harmer getting a wicket - except that it was actually Sam Cook!! They then stated that Tendo (his name was pronounced Tendo shate) was still in, bit of a lack of professionalism from them which was surprising, rather like the kind of info you'd get from the BBC!!
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Actually no one pronounces RtD correctly according to my ex colleague, who is Dutch.
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I believe the threshold for a pitch inspector is more than 15 wickets in a days play.
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Suspect a win isn't going to be enough, Worcestershire need just one more batting point than us to finish above us should they win, which looks very likely considering our position. Derbyshire just need to beat Lancashire and they are facing a second XI Lancs bowling line-up tomorrow to tuck into.
As we all suspected, the embarrassing batting points column is going to cost us a place at Lords, unless Tendo, Wheater and Harmer can do something remarkable tomorrow. Murtagh will have them all out by 11am I reckon.
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Why do people still talk about pitch inspectors? They were abolished years ago and replaced by the match referee, present at every match. Even the Somerset commentator, yesterday, was whining about the pitch inspector needing to go to Chelmsford.
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Why do people still talk about pitch inspectors? They were abolished years ago and replaced by the match referee, present at every match. Even the Somerset commentator, yesterday, was whining about the pitch inspector needing to go to Chelmsford.
So the match referee is the pitch inspector?
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Yes Andy he is responsible for overseeing all aspects of the match. If he is unhappy with anything then he reports it to the ECB who then consider a response. This is what happened at Taunton last year. After reporting the pitch a committee was convened and the punishment handed out.
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anyone know what's wrong with RTD?
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I think they said back spasm.
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I think they said back spasm.
Happens to us all when we hit 40...
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I think the match referee is Peter Such. Not, so far, what you'd call a high scoring game is it!
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Suspect a win isn't going to be enough, Worcestershire need just one more batting point than us to finish above us should they win, which looks very likely considering our position. Derbyshire just need to beat Lancashire and they are facing a second XI Lancs bowling line-up tomorrow to tuck into.
As we all suspected, the embarrassing batting points column is going to cost us a place at Lords, unless Tendo, Wheater and Harmer can do something remarkable tomorrow. Murtagh will have them all out by 11am I reckon.
Or maybe not!!
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Does anyone know what the tie-breaker comes down to should two teams finish level on points? I wasn't under the assumption that it was wins, but the BBC Derbyshire commentator seems to think that it is, which has thrown my permutations post above into a curveball and means we are in a far better position than I originally thought!
If it is overall wins, then the only way we'd miss out on the final is if either we don't go onto win, or we win, but Somerset win and Derbyshire make it to 250 (currently 120/7) and win as well.
I need a lie down, maths was never my strong point! Would love it if Worcestershire knocked the Cidermen out, but it's not looking good for them right now. Also, well played Adam Wheater, super knock today.
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Does anyone know what the tie-breaker comes down to should two teams finish level on points? I wasn't under the assumption that it was wins, but the BBC Derbyshire commentator seems to think that it is, which has thrown my permutations post above into a curveball and means we are in a far better position than I originally thought!
If it is overall wins, then the only way we'd miss out on the final is if either we don't go onto win, or we win, but Somerset win and Derbyshire make it to 250 (currently 120/7) and win as well.
I need a lie down, maths was never my strong point! Would love it if Worcestershire knocked the Cidermen out, but it's not looking good for them right now. Also, well played Adam Wheater, super knock today.
Derbyshire only need 200 not 250 (and of course a win!) to beat us and the way their 8th wicket partnership is going (59 so far) then that is still very possible.
I hope that wasteful 249-3 nightwatchman blunder isn't going to cost us that one vital point that loses us a Lords place!!
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Does anyone know what the tie-breaker comes down to should two teams finish level on points? I wasn't under the assumption that it was wins, but the BBC Derbyshire commentator seems to think that it is, which has thrown my permutations post above into a curveball and means we are in a far better position than I originally thought!
If it is overall wins, then the only way we'd miss out on the final is if either we don't go onto win, or we win, but Somerset win and Derbyshire make it to 250 (currently 120/7) and win as well.
I need a lie down, maths was never my strong point! Would love it if Worcestershire knocked the Cidermen out, but it's not looking good for them right now. Also, well played Adam Wheater, super knock today.
Derbyshire only need 200 not 250 (and of course a win!) to beat us and the way their 8th wicket partnership is going (59 so far) then that is still very possible.
I hope that wasteful 249-3 nightwatchman blunder isn't going to cost us that one vital point that loses us a Lords place!!
Of course! I forgot that they were a point ahead of us going into this round of games. Told you my maths is abysmal!
Oh in that case, it's definitely going to cost us! The nightwatchman wasn't the issue though, it was Dan Lawrence blocking out the last over before lunch in all his wisdom!
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We are in a good position but need to finish off Middx's innings by lunch tomorrow ie not need more than 100 to win, just in case nerves creep in. Some good batting from the oft maligned Wheater that helped us to a substantial lead, gutsy display from Tendo & useful runs from Harmer. Good to see Beard getting some wickets' definitely have to finish them off early tomorrow.
I hope it rains in Liverpool & Leeds all day tomorrow (& Weds).
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Does anyone know what the tie-breaker comes down to should two teams finish level on points? I wasn't under the assumption that it was wins, but the BBC Derbyshire commentator seems to think that it is, which has thrown my permutations post above into a curveball and means we are in a far better position than I originally thought!
If it is overall wins, then the only way we'd miss out on the final is if either we don't go onto win, or we win, but Somerset win and Derbyshire make it to 250 (currently 120/7) and win as well.
I need a lie down, maths was never my strong point! Would love it if Worcestershire knocked the Cidermen out, but it's not looking good for them right now. Also, well played Adam Wheater, super knock today.
Derbyshire only need 200 not 250 (and of course a win!) to beat us and the way their 8th wicket partnership is going (59 so far) then that is still very possible.
I hope that wasteful 249-3 nightwatchman blunder isn't going to cost us that one vital point that loses us a Lords place!!
Of course! I forgot that they were a point ahead of us going into this round of games. Told you my maths is abysmal!
Oh in that case, it's definitely going to cost us! The nightwatchman wasn't the issue though, it was Dan Lawrence blocking out the last over before lunch in all his wisdom!
Yup, bit of both really as Porters 8 from 54 balls didnt exactly push the run rate along much either!!....bad bad errors especially when there had already been a lot of play lost to bad weather and the forecast was abysmal too. Hopefully it wont come down to that point but one of these days the good luck we seemed to have enjoyed in the red ball game for quite some time now, is going to change!!
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Our batting is poor this year and we can't expect to win anything with relying on bowling sides out for even more paltry scores! Wheater doing a Fossie by holding the lower order together to an extent.
Still, the past three seasons were great and this was a wierd "season" anyway! Having recently experienced a couple of sudden deaths (one an in law another a colleague both great guys in their late 50s) it sort of puts things sporting into perspective.
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Our batting is poor this year and we can't expect to win anything with relying on bowling sides out for even more paltry scores! Wheater doing a Fossie by holding the lower order together to an extent.
Still, the past three seasons were great and this was a wierd "season" anyway! Having recently experienced a couple of sudden deaths (one an in law another a colleague both great guys in their late 50s) it sort of puts things sporting into perspective.
And yet only two sides have more batting bonus points in the South group and we have the joint lowest number of bowling points
Just how much the pitch at Chelmsford effects the bonus points situation I'll leave to the more statistical minded forumites
It is a one off season and I have tried to not to take it too seriously. Just giad there is live sport to follow
Sorry to hear of your losses Andy. I think the pandemic has made many of us re-evaluate what is important.
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Our batting is poor this year and we can't expect to win anything with relying on bowling sides out for even more paltry scores! Wheater doing a Fossie by holding the lower order together to an extent.
Still, the past three seasons were great and this was a wierd "season" anyway! Having recently experienced a couple of sudden deaths (one an in law another a colleague both great guys in their late 50s) it sort of puts things sporting into perspective.
And yet only two sides have more batting bonus points in the South group and we have the joint lowest number of bowling points
Just how much the pitch at Chelmsford effects the bonus points situation I'll leave to the more statistical minded forumites
It is a one off season and I have tried to not to take it too seriously. Just giad there is live sport to follow.
Sorry to hear of your losses Andy. I think the pandemic has made many of us re-evaluate what is important.
Please don’t be pedantic!!!.....the maximum amount of bowling points we could have picked up this season (‘cos of the weather) is 12 and we have........12!!
Sometimes people just have to be contrary for the sake of it I reckon!!
Concur fully with your last paragraph though.
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Our batting is poor this year and we can't expect to win anything with relying on bowling sides out for even more paltry scores! Wheater doing a Fossie by holding the lower order together to an extent.
Still, the past three seasons were great and this was a wierd "season" anyway! Having recently experienced a couple of sudden deaths (one an in law another a colleague both great guys in their late 50s) it sort of puts things sporting into perspective.
And yet only two sides have more batting bonus points in the South group and we have the joint lowest number of bowling points
Just how much the pitch at Chelmsford effects the bonus points situation I'll leave to the more statistical minded forumites
It is a one off season and I have tried to not to take it too seriously. Just giad there is live sport to follow.
Sorry to hear of your losses Andy. I think the pandemic has made many of us re-evaluate what is important.
Please don’t be pedantic!!!.....the maximum amount of bowling points we could have picked up this season (‘cos of the weather) is 12 and we have........12!!
Sometimes people just have to be contrary for the sake of it I reckon!!
Concur fully with your last paragraph though.
Not being pedantic - just trying to make the point that this batting V bowling thing isn't necessarily as straightforward as some make out. You can't base it purely on numbers
We've played three games at Chelmsford where scoring tends to be quite low. I wonder how many batting points the opposition got there? One at Hove where neither team scored over 200 (admittedly Sussex had a weak team out) . The only time we were on what seems to be a good track we were going along quite nicely at Arundel
From an article in the Cricketer on Dan Lawrence
"Until then, he had gone without a century in 2019 as Chelmsford’s surfaces made for challenging company.
A shift away from his long-term trigger movement, however, saw him make 147 in a comprehensive victory. It is a performance of which he is immensely proud; no one has found run-scoring easy at Chelmsford in recent times. “Definitely,” he adds when asked whether – in the mind, at least – runs there count for more."
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Apologies then for suggesting that. You do have a point about the Chelmsford wicket but I still say that it’s our bowlers rather than the batsmen that are winning us match after match.
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Those pesky Derbyshire lads are now up to a 100 run partnership for the 8th wicket!!....The ridiculous 249 -3 and playing for lunch is going to haunt us and cost big time.
I know its only a tinpot competition but it would have been nice to have got another trophy this season as a great parting gift for Tendo .
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Those pesky Derbyshire lads are now up to a 100 run partnership for the 8th wicket!!....The ridiculous 249 -3 and playing for lunch is going to haunt us and cost big time.
I know its only a tinpot competition but it would have been nice to have got another trophy this season as a great parting gift for Tendo .
Pessimist.
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For anyone who likes a value bet, Derbyshire are still 13/8 to win that game. Considering Lancs with nothing to play for could easily collapse in the second innings, or agree to set Derbyshire a generous final day chase, that’s great odds.
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Those pesky Derbyshire lads are now up to a 100 run partnership for the 8th wicket!!....The ridiculous 249 -3 and playing for lunch is going to haunt us and cost big time.
I know its only a tinpot competition but it would have been nice to have got another trophy this season as a great parting gift for Tendo .
Pessimist.
LOL.....bloody close thing though, wasn't it!!! Who'd have thought we would have been so grateful to Lancashire!!.
Lords awaits......
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Job dome on Middlesex then. So what are the permutations? Are we at Lord's or can we still be pipped?
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Job dome on Middlesex then. So what are the permutations? Are we at Lord's or can we still be pipped?
We are at Lords.
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Job dome on Middlesex then. So what are the permutations? Are we at Lord's or can we still be pipped?
We are at Lords.
Thanks - and the BBC are saying that too. It's the 4 wins that clinches it I think. Now all we want is for DCMS to make the Lord's final a test event - although with CV19 infections on the rise I'm not holding my breath! Well done the team. And Arundel didn't come back to haunt us it would seem!
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I'm listening to the Somerset game and the Worcs commentator has said that another rule might come into play. The game that was stopped because of COVID might b ruled as void then some rule about run rate comes into play. If this is correct it would be crazy because neither Gloucs or Northants had any chance of qualifying.
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Sounds like the Worcester commentator flying a kite - mind you I wouldn't put it past the ECB to do something along those lines! It's looking like a reprise of Taunton last year? I guess we'd have one advantage. No one else in the competition has played as many 5 days games as our opener.
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He said it's down to the technical committee and I have searched for the regulations mentioning this scenario - nothing found as yet.
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Yes well done all. I though Aron Beard bowled excellently yesterday afternoon and his spell turned the game. Shows we aren't wholly Harmer-dependent. If spectators aren't allowed in at Lord's let's hope that a certain D Topley is placed in a personal lockdown and we don't have to endure his endless droning on the live stream.
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Another win for not enough runs , wickets , last years County Champions. Job done, kept our powder dry by not selecting the seamers in white ball .
Silly question , has anyone seen the Bob Willis Trophy ? Or perhaps Pickles will wander through the Lord's Gates one afternoon, if he can get pass the gateman, in the Autumn sunshine with, what's this ....
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Yes well done all. I though Aron Beard bowled excellently yesterday afternoon and his spell turned the game. Shows we aren't wholly Harmer-dependent. If spectators aren't allowed in at Lord's let's hope that a certain D Topley is placed in a personal lockdown and we don't have to endure his endless droning on the live stream.
Id expect it to maybe be on sky/
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Yes well done all. I though Aron Beard bowled excellently yesterday afternoon and his spell turned the game. Shows we aren't wholly Harmer-dependent. If spectators aren't allowed in at Lord's let's hope that a certain D Topley is placed in a personal lockdown and we don't have to endure his endless droning on the live stream.
Id expect it to maybe be on sky/
It will be.
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Yes well done all. I though Aron Beard bowled excellently yesterday afternoon and his spell turned the game. Shows we aren't wholly Harmer-dependent. If spectators aren't allowed in at Lord's let's hope that a certain D Topley is placed in a personal lockdown and we don't have to endure his endless droning on the live stream.
Id expect it to maybe be on sky/
It will be.
Don't think it will be.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/29807872/david-willey-makes-early-blast-return-regulation-change-comes-trumps
Improved county streams continue to be hugely popular, with several clubs reporting hundreds of thousands of viewers at various stages of Blast games.
While ESPNcricinfo understands that there are no plans for Sky to broadcast the Bob Willis Trophy final at Lord's - which will come as a disappointment to many supporters - there are plans being drawn up for a high-quality streaming offering instead, which is likely to be available free of charge around the world.
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Yes well done all. I though Aron Beard bowled excellently yesterday afternoon and his spell turned the game. Shows we aren't wholly Harmer-dependent. If spectators aren't allowed in at Lord's let's hope that a certain D Topley is placed in a personal lockdown and we don't have to endure his endless droning on the live stream.
Id expect it to maybe be on sky/
It will be.
Don't think it will be.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/29807872/david-willey-makes-early-blast-return-regulation-change-comes-trumps
Improved county streams continue to be hugely popular, with several clubs reporting hundreds of thousands of viewers at various stages of Blast games.
While ESPNcricinfo understands that there are no plans for Sky to broadcast the Bob Willis Trophy final at Lord's - which will come as a disappointment to many supporters - there are plans being drawn up for a high-quality streaming offering instead, which is likely to be available free of charge around the world.
They should give the pictures to the BBC - they could put it on red button and their website.
Going back to this Worcester chap is his contention that if Worcester beat Somerset it would be unfair for them not to progress? One assumes that a CV19 abandonment would be analogous to a bad weather abandonment - but then this is the ECB.
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Going back to this Worcester chap is his contention that if Worcester beat Somerset it would be unfair for them not to progress? One assumes that a CV19 abandonment would be analogous to a bad weather abandonment - but then this is the ECB.
He said there was something about run rate coming into it if there was a tie in the points. The Somerset commentator is so biased that I find him as bad as Don Topley to listen to.
I can't find anything about this 'additional rule' anywhere - reminds me of the Hitchhiker episode about Earth moaning about a bypass being built and where the plan had been posted for that.
“But the plans were on display…”
“On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”
“That’s the display department.”
“With a flashlight.”
“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”
“So had the stairs.”
“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”
“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”
― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
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Going back to this Worcester chap is his contention that if Worcester beat Somerset it would be unfair for them not to progress? One assumes that a CV19 abandonment would be analogous to a bad weather abandonment - but then this is the ECB.
He said there was something about run rate coming into it if there was a tie in the points. The Somerset commentator is so biased that I find him as bad as Don Topley to listen to.
I can't find anything about this 'additional rule' anywhere - reminds me of the Hitchhiker episode about Earth moaning about a bypass being built and where the plan had been posted for that.
“But the plans were on display…”
“On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”
“That’s the display department.”
“With a flashlight.”
“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”
“So had the stairs.”
“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”
“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”
― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Essexfan
Think he might be referring to 16.2.8 here
https://resources.ecb.co.uk/ecb/document/2020/07/31/bec19c77-837a-4211-9660-7784bbca788f/Playing-Conditions_The_Bob_Willis_Trophy-vF.pdf
in the event of an incomplete match ....
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A terrific & almost inevitable result, well done to the team yet again) on another fine victory with the wickets well shared around. Lovely to contemplate a Lords final, probably against Somerset, but hopefully Worcs, whatever our faults & batting wise we have a few, I bet 16 other Counties would love to be there in our place.
Of the batsmen Cook has done well as expected,Browne & Lawrence on one occasion each, Tendo a few times with useful support from Walter who has been steady & consistent, couple of useful knocks from Khushi, good support from Harmer & Wheater at times, unfortunately they haven't all fired together which they seldom have if ever. The crux is that somebody always comes up with the goods when we are in trouble, the mark of a good team, I suspect the team spirit is second to none.
Thus Essex deserve a lot of credit & we should really be grateful that despite everything the team has an abundance of grit & determination, hopefully we can go on to win it!!
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"He said there was something about run rate coming into it if there was a tie in the points. The Somerset commentator is so biased that I find him as bad as Don Topley to listen to."
Very true essexfan548. Ironically earlier in the match the Somerset chap complained that Topley had tweeted him complaining about his moaning about the Chelmsford pitch. At least the Essex commentators are more even handed in their comments usually.
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It seems then that run rate could determine positions in a group but I don't see that it would impact on other groups or the pecking order between the three group winners. That's my interpretation of the provision but I may have read it wrong. Nothing much wrong with that Chelmsford pitch from what I saw. It seamed and spun a bit.
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It seems then that run rate could determine positions in a group but I don't see that it would impact on other groups or the pecking order between the three group winners. That's my interpretation of the provision but I may have read it wrong. Nothing much wrong with that Chelmsford pitch from what I saw. It seamed and spun a bit.
That's how I read it too.
Points averaged out across completed games with net run rate as a tie breaker.
Given the game affected was Glos v Northants not sure how it affects that group either but there will be someone more versed in these matters who might be able to explain.
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The BBC now reporting run rate may come into it, presumably if Worcester win?
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Just cannot see why anyone is making any fuss about this at all?!!......Even if Northants or Gloucestershire had got 24 points from their abandoned match then they still wouldn’t be anywhere near our total or average!!....We are definitely in the final, end of!!
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Just cannot see why anyone is making any fuss about this at all?!!......Even if Northants or Gloucestershire had got 24 points from their abandoned match then they still wouldn’t be anywhere near our total or average!!....We are definitely in the final, end of!!
The "issue" seems to be that some peoples reading of the regulations I cited is that if three teams tie on points the NRR could be used as a tie breaker if there are any incomplete games. Seems unlikely to me but... That would also need Derbyshire to win tomorrow
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Just cannot see why anyone is making any fuss about this at all?!!......Even if Northants or Gloucestershire had got 24 points from their abandoned match then they still wouldn’t be anywhere near our total or average!!....We are definitely in the final, end of!!
The "issue" seems to be that some peoples reading of the regulations I cited is that if three teams tie on points the NRR could be used as a tie breaker if there are any incomplete games. Seems unlikely to me but... That would also need Derbyshire to win tomorrow
Derbyshire are not going to win tomorrow. You heard it here first.
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Just cannot see why anyone is making any fuss about this at all?!!......Even if Northants or Gloucestershire had got 24 points from their abandoned match then they still wouldn’t be anywhere near our total or average!!....We are definitely in the final, end of!!
The "issue" seems to be that some peoples reading of the regulations I cited is that if three teams tie on points the NRR could be used as a tie breaker if there are any incomplete games. Seems unlikely to me but... That would also need Derbyshire to win tomorrow
Derbyshire are not going to win tomorrow. You heard it here first.
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I heard it in a number of other places prior to your post....
;D ;D
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From the BBC cricket page..........
“Unbeaten Essex confirmed their place in the Bob Willis Trophy final as South Group victors with an emphatic nine-wicket win over Middlesex”
Stop worrying everyone!!
....and THATS from the “pessimist” in here!! :)
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From the BBC cricket page..........
“Unbeaten Essex confirmed their place in the Bob Willis Trophy final as South Group victors with an emphatic nine-wicket win over Middlesex”
Stop worrying everyone!!
....and THATS from the “pessimist” in here!! :)
You can't be more of a pessimist than me. ;D ;D
But, also, from the BBC cricket page
"Chris: According to playing regulations, if a game is not completed, then you use Net Run-Rate rather than wins as tie-breaker - could this apply given Gloucester v Northants was abandoned?
We're seeking clarification on this right now from the ECB, but we're yet to receive any official communication at this stage, so watch this space!"
It seems far fetched to me...
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Just to stir the pot further see the Wisden website for an article on this situation.
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From the BBC cricket page..........
“Unbeaten Essex confirmed their place in the Bob Willis Trophy final as South Group victors with an emphatic nine-wicket win over Middlesex”
Stop worrying everyone!!
....and THATS from the “pessimist” in here!! :)
You can't be more of a pessimist than me. ;D ;D
But, also, from the BBC cricket page
"Chris: According to playing regulations, if a game is not completed, then you use Net Run-Rate rather than wins as tie-breaker - could this apply given Gloucester v Northants was abandoned?
We're seeking clarification on this right now from the ECB, but we're yet to receive any official communication at this stage, so watch this space!"
It seems far fetched to me...
That would only apply if one of the teams who’s match was abandoned were tied on points or could have reached the same number of points as one of the top two teams.
RELAX :) :)
”You can't be more of a pessimist than me. ;D ;D“
Oh I bet I can!! LOL but I have no worries about this at all.
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https://wisden.com/stories/county-cricket/bob-willis-trophy/why-essex-arent-quite-in-the-bob-willis-trophy-final-yet
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https://wisden.com/stories/county-cricket/bob-willis-trophy/why-essex-arent-quite-in-the-bob-willis-trophy-final-yet
Bugger you!!.....that’s really *issed on my matches!!!..
What’s the relevance to Essex and Derbyshire of a match between Gloucestershire and Northants?!!!.....This could be the most bonkers thing that the ECB have ever come up with and there’s a lot of competition for that title too!!!!
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https://wisden.com/stories/county-cricket/bob-willis-trophy/why-essex-arent-quite-in-the-bob-willis-trophy-final-yet
Bugger you!!.....that’s really *issed on my matches!!!..
What’s the relevance to Essex and Derbyshire of a match between Gloucestershire and Northants?!!!.....This could be the most bonkers thing that the ECB have ever come up with and there’s a lot of competition for that title too!!!!
It's very strange and illogical. I read it as only applying to the group which the incomplete match was in
Beeb saying the same kind of thing.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/54070373
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https://wisden.com/stories/county-cricket/bob-willis-trophy/why-essex-arent-quite-in-the-bob-willis-trophy-final-yet
Bugger you!!.....that’s really *issed on my matches!!!..
What’s the relevance to Essex and Derbyshire of a match between Gloucestershire and Northants?!!!.....This could be the most bonkers thing that the ECB have ever come up with and there’s a lot of competition for that title too!!!!
The whole thing is stupid. Net run rate has absolutely nothing to do with 4 day cricket whatsoever. Most times these days with games finishing early how fast you score is totally irrelevant. You may spend a day where you are trying to save the match by dead batting where runs have no relevance. Your net run rate will go down.
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From the BBC article
Competition rules say, should any match in a group be incomplete, then group positions would be determined in the event of two teams being level, not on most wins (Essex have four, to North Group leaders Derbyshire's two), but average points per completed match, then net run rate.
So what does that have to do with the other groups? The Group positions must just aply to the group. Then, surely, only if a run rate changes the top position would this go to determin the finalist.
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Could it be possible that 'Goose' will have the last laugh against Essex from beyond the grave?!
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Yes it's all over the Times today as well.
Agree this is complete nonsense.
Northants and Glos were both out of contention and not even in Derbys' group or indeed our group - why would that cancellation lead to ECB manually adjusting the relative positions of us and Derbys when it could not have been more remote from both?
Bob W, God rest his soul and lovely guy, never liked the county game. And nor do ECB. This sort of absurdity would further devalue it if they did follow through.
And BTW why has Somerset's points penalty from last year's CC not been applied this year to the BWT? Is it because it is a different competition and it carries over to if and when the CC does re-start in its old format? May never happen.
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I can't believe that the rules are meant the way the press has interpreted it.
It could only be relevant if Gloucestershire or Northants were vying for top place in their group. Even then it would only be a tie-breaker if one of them had equal points with either another side in their group or one of the other group leaders.
It would then make sense to use another criteria rather than wins to determine who finishes higher, as they were prevented from winning a game due to exceptional circumstances.
But given the state of the groups, and the respective positions of Gloucestershire and Northants, it has NO relevance whatsoever.
Move on, nothing to see here.
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I can't believe that the rules are meant the way the press has interpreted it.
It could only be relevant if Gloucestershire or Northants were vying for top place in their group. Even then it would only be a tie-breaker if one of them had equal points with either another side in their group or one of the other group leaders.
It would then make sense to use another criteria rather than wins to determine who finishes higher, as they were prevented from winning a game due to exceptional circumstances.
But given the state of the groups, and the respective positions of Gloucestershire and Northants, it has NO relevance whatsoever.
Move on, nothing to see here.
agreed.
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Common sense would support you guys.
But why did the ECB Tech Committee make an announcement last night to the effect that the cancellation of the dead rubber between Nthts and Glos would mean they would need to reconvene and reconsider everything?
If they accepted it was irrelevant they would not have had to say anything at all.
Derbys have just lost a couple of wkts - which makes it even less likely they will win. Unless ECB do something inexplicable and overrule the points tally in favour of something else.
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Derbys collapsing now.
Assuming no ludicrous ECB intervention, seems to make a clear-cut final between us and Soms.
A new silly question from me.
If the final is drawn or abandoned, eg due to weather or even Covid, who lifts the trophy? Is it Soms as they go into the final with more points from the group games?
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Derbys collapsing now.
Assuming no ludicrous ECB intervention, seems to make a clear-cut final between us and Soms.
A new silly question from me.
If the final is drawn or abandoned, eg due to weather or even Covid, who lifts the trophy? Is it Soms as they go into the final with more points from the group games?
If both first innings are completed it's the side who scores the most
Otherwise shared although given this shambles the ECB might produce some new interpretation on the day!
From the regs
"If the Final is drawn, and if both first innings are completed, the winner shall be the team that scored most runs in the first innings. Should the scores in completed first innings be equal or if both first innings are not completed, the trophy shall be shared.
If the Final is tied, the trophy shall be shared."
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I held out a faint hope of a crowd being let in. Mrs Slogger had agreed to drive me to the ground if needs be. I can't see that happening now. The St Leger race meeting has just gone behind closed doors, although I think that may be a local decision. I suspect a crowd at T20 finals day may be at risk too.
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Derbys collapsing now.
Assuming no ludicrous ECB intervention, seems to make a clear-cut final between us and Soms.
A new silly question from me.
If the final is drawn or abandoned, eg due to weather or even Covid, who lifts the trophy? Is it Soms as they go into the final with more points from the group games?
So if the side batting second get passed the first score but do not lose all their wickets or declaire before the umpires call the game off, it is a shared trophy?
If both first innings are completed it's the side who scores the most
Otherwise shared although given this shambles the ECB might produce some new interpretation on the day!
From the regs
"If the Final is drawn, and if both first innings are completed, the winner shall be the team that scored most runs in the first innings. Should the scores in completed first innings be equal or if both first innings are not completed, the trophy shall be shared.
If the Final is tied, the trophy shall be shared."
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seems to be the new national sport...
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whatifery.
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Thanks for the clarification.
If it's a draw it goes on first innings lead.
Failing that, shared trophy.
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Judging by the fact that bowling is the strength of both sides it could be quite a low scoring final & if the weather holds I doubt it will go even 4 days let alone 5!
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seems to be the new national sport...
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whatifery.
If there was doubt then this was due to the ECB writing the regulations extremely badly. It should have been clear whether that rule only applied to the group affected.
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As Somerset qualified with most points in group stages are they deemed as home team in the final, get the England dressing room, there Captain throws up the coin and maybe get some influence on pitch preparation if anybody knows?
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And after all that!
"As for Essex, the reigning county champions' place at Lord's was assured late on the final afternoon of the final round of qualifying group fixtures when the England and Wales Cricket Board's technical committee officially declared Sunday's abandoned Gloucestershire-Northants game a draw.
Therefore, the deciding factor, if two of the three group winners tied on points, would still be 'most wins', as originally planned, and not 'run rates' as was briefly mooted the previous day, to cause a bit of unexpected confusion and delay."
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Yes well done all. I though Aron Beard bowled excellently yesterday afternoon and his spell turned the game. Shows we aren't wholly Harmer-dependent. If spectators aren't allowed in at Lord's let's hope that a certain D Topley is placed in a personal lockdown and we don't have to endure his endless droning on the live stream.
Id expect it to maybe be on sky/
It will be.
Don't think it will be.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/29807872/david-willey-makes-early-blast-return-regulation-change-comes-trumps
Improved county streams continue to be hugely popular, with several clubs reporting hundreds of thousands of viewers at various stages of Blast games.
While ESPNcricinfo understands that there are no plans for Sky to broadcast the Bob Willis Trophy final at Lord's - which will come as a disappointment to many supporters - there are plans being drawn up for a high-quality streaming offering instead, which is likely to be available free of charge around the world.
Not on sky
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/29845901/bob-willis-trophy-somerset-v-essex-final-lord-miss-tv-coverage
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Sky are far too busy with their equality drive to care about broadcasting any county cricket.
If the stream used is the same as the one in the T20 match against Middlesex, it will be absolutely horrible and unacceptable for a showpiece event. Essex, Somerset and the MCC need to get together and sort out a proper stream between them, with multiple cameras, pre match, post match and interval coverage. Hire one of the BBC radio commentators to present and bring in some ex players for both sides to provide punditry like Gooch and Trescothick.
Hopefully Somerset can get Babar Azam to play for them. That would drive stream numbers up hugely and we need big numbers to go to TV companies and remind them that people do still care about county cricket.
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The stream via the Essex site, where you have to log in your details, was very tempremental, and I found the You Tube stream more stable. The Essex operators have the bad habit of putting the scorecard or partnership chart up, just as a ball is about to be bowled so you miss the delivery. All rather amateurish, but I suppose better than nothing.
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Sky are far too busy with their equality drive to care about broadcasting any county cricket.
If the stream used is the same as the one in the T20 match against Middlesex, it will be absolutely horrible and unacceptable for a showpiece event. Essex, Somerset and the MCC need to get together and sort out a proper stream between them, with multiple cameras, pre match, post match and interval coverage. Hire one of the BBC radio commentators to present and bring in some ex players for both sides to provide punditry like Gooch and Trescothick.
Hopefully Somerset can get Babar Azam to play for them. That would drive stream numbers up hugely and we need big numbers to go to TV companies and remind them that people do still care about county cricket.
2nd most sensible post in recent memory.
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The stream via the Essex site, where you have to log in your details, was very tempremental, and I found the You Tube stream more stable. The Essex operators have the bad habit of putting the scorecard or partnership chart up, just as a ball is about to be bowled so you miss the delivery. All rather amateurish, but I suppose better than nothing.
You'd think that among the membership, especially at this time, someone could be found with the necessary expertise. AFAIK the Club haven't looked.