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Off-Topic => 100 Ball Franchise => Topic started by: jwb on February 20, 2019, 07:46:40 AM
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Surrey may not be one of the chosen venues after voting against the new format. Graves is upset and is threatening to go to Chelmsford or Bristol instead. Given I didn’t think we were that keen it all seems a bit odd.
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Surrey may not be one of the chosen venues after voting against the new format. Graves is upset and is threatening to go to Chelmsford or Bristol instead. Given I didn’t think we were that keen it all seems a bit odd.
Don't believe it. Slurry will get a gig if only becuase they are too big not to. Graves will moan and whine, like all good yorkies do, then do a deal.
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Surrey may not be one of the chosen venues after voting against the new format. Graves is upset and is threatening to go to Chelmsford or Bristol instead. Given I didn’t think we were that keen it all seems a bit odd.
Don't believe it. Slurry will get a gig if only becuase they are too big not to. Graves will moan and whine, like all good yorkies do, then do a deal.
Nat's correct. Like Trump, there's huffing and puffing before the 'real deal' gets done. If we win out over Slurrey for this farce, then I'll not only eat my hat but Nat's as well.
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It's a big hat ...for a big head.
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Thought we voted against as well?
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We did, but if you knew we'd get a franchise, then I can guarantee we'd take the chance, because the club knows that actually, with an Essex based team, they can probably fill the ECG for another 8 games.
I think that we voted against because we were unlikely to be considered and that we'd lose players elsewhere for the duration. The "for the good of the game" stance was a very good cover!
The bigger issue though, is that you have to purchase the franchise....and I don't see us going overdrawn to do that....
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If this report is true we will be involved in the Lord's side. So if that's the case can't see we will be hosting the 'Oval' side.
https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/countycricket/the_hundred_mcc_middlesex_and_essex_chiefs_will_pick_players_and_coaches_for_lords_side.html
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If this report is true we will be involved in the Lord's side. So if that's the case can't see we will be hosting the 'Oval' side.
https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/countycricket/the_hundred_mcc_middlesex_and_essex_chiefs_will_pick_players_and_coaches_for_lords_side.html
Sad to see Essex actively taking part. I hope it crashes in flames.
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If this report is true we will be involved in the Lord's side. So if that's the case can't see we will be hosting the 'Oval' side.
https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/countycricket/the_hundred_mcc_middlesex_and_essex_chiefs_will_pick_players_and_coaches_for_lords_side.html
Sad to see Essex actively taking part. I hope it crashes in flames.
Well, for our contribution, we could always recommend Dimitri and Larry...
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I see the Big Bash have used outgrounds like Geelong and Alice Springs. Wouldn't surprise me if Chelmsford gets the odd game. I still think 6 teams based on 3 counties each with every county HQ getting at least one game a year would have been a better structure if we must have this tournament.
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Those in favour 17 against 1
Well done Surrey this might get interesting.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/47339454
These people will say anything to justify this twaddle.
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"It will be something that cricket fans all around the country will flock to see" - I thought this was supposed to be for a new audience, not us? Changed his tune a bit, hasn't he?
Lynda
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The comments are well worth a read - much better than the 'article/work of fiction'.
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Yes - there's not really a rush of comments in favour!
Lynda
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Not even a trickle in favour, Harrison is definitely a Legend in his own mind only!!
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"We're getting people to re-appraise cricket in terms of their perceptions of what the game means to them, and ultimately addressing the complexity of cricket - presenting it in a simple way."
This utterance of the fatuous Mr Harrison is surely an early contender for stupidest cricket statement of the year, although if past form is anything to go by, he will produce several even stupider ones before the year is out.
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Utter gobbledygook. Cricket doesn't mean anything at the moment to those they're trying to attract and to those of us who already follow it, this tripe isn't cricket.
I don't know whether they've gone into the detail yet, but they do realise that everything will need to be simplified, don't they? Fielding positions will just be close, mid-field and boundary, none of this short leg and silly mid-on nonsense. Bowlers will have to be quick or slow. Means of dismissal will be caught, bowled, broken the wicket (run out or hit wicket) and I'm not even sure that you can simplify LBW. And there will need to be a whole new set of TV commentators who've never worked on cricket matches before, so that they don't use the traditional terminology by mistake. Anything more complicated than that will put off this whole new audience they're so keen to attract.
Lynda
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Great post Lynda. The bit I really cannot understand is if this new thing is successful in bringing a new audience, why would that audience then gravitate to other forms of cricket? There are far too many differences in the new format to compare it with other types of cricket. What they should have done is go for 10/10. It already exists as a format and has been quite well received. It would also fit easily into the time slot required by tv and would be easily understood by anyone with a passing knowledge of cricket.
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Exactly, LeedsExile - if it's to be that simplified, it's not going to resemble cricket as we know it and so the new audience won't be tempted to try the real thing. Agree about 10/10 - would have been a much better idea, and over so quickly that it wouldn't really matter if you understood what was going on or not!
It would be interesting to know how many people originally got hooked by cricket when watching the longer form of the game. I know I certainly did and I suspect youngsters these days do, too.
My other question is, has the intended make-up of the teams shifted away from the original plan as well? Steve and I got the idea, when this travesty was first mooted, that players would be bid for (not necessarily in money terms) by each of the eight teams, thus meaning that you might not actually see a member of your own county side playing at your county ground. Now we get the feeling that there will be representatives of 'local' teams in each side - presumably to try and attract county supporters to their nearest ground. Not sure it will work, though: why travel 40, 60 miles or more to see two of your team play, when you can go to your own ground and see eleven of them playing.
Lynda
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I got into cricket watching the Test match on the BBC as a teenager!
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Snap - bored during the school holidays at the age of 15, I turned on the TV and there was the Test Match. Never looked back.
Lynda
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This 'simplify' nonsense reminds me of Strauss claiming that it would make the game appeal to women.
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This 'simplify' nonsense reminds me of Strauss claiming that it would make the game appeal to women.
It already does!
Should I feel patronised? Guess what.
Lynda
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I got into cricket watching the Test match on the BBC as a teenager!
... like me, and a large number of my old schoolmates.... and I dare say many, many others
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I got into cricket watching the Test match on the BBC as a teenager!
... like me, and a large number of my old schoolmates.... and I dare say many, many others
Not enough people though. We're in a minority so how do we expand the 'customer base'?
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how do we expand the 'customer base'?
Do they need to?
Test match tickets are ruinously expensive but there's always plenty of takers.
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I got into cricket watching the Test match on the BBC as a teenager!
... like me, and a large number of my old schoolmates.... and I dare say many, many others
Yep. Had the same effect on me as Doctor Who...watching England collapse from behind the sofa.
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People of the older generation have seen surprisingly more change than one realised. From test matches only to one day cricket, then fielding restrictions, bowling limitations and bat technology.
Cannot see the latest fan base to have the patience for the future of the game .
Can only see Chelmsford getting a franchise game in 100 ball competition when the well is running dry elsewhere .
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I hope that IF Chelmsford gets offered a Hundred ball game, we tactfully tell them to go away!
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People of the older generation have seen surprisingly more change than one realised. From test matches only to one day cricket, then fielding restrictions, bowling limitations and bat technology.
Cannot see the latest fan base to have the patience for the future of the game .
But don't forget that this is a generation that watches Game of Thrones for 5 hours solid - which is far more tedious that Boycott running out his partners batting for a whole day.
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Utter gobbledygook. Cricket doesn't mean anything at the moment to those they're trying to attract and to those of us who already follow it, this tripe isn't cricket.
I don't know whether they've gone into the detail yet, but they do realise that everything will need to be simplified, don't they? Fielding positions will just be close, mid-field and boundary, none of this short leg and silly mid-on nonsense. Bowlers will have to be quick or slow. Means of dismissal will be caught, bowled, broken the wicket (run out or hit wicket) and I'm not even sure that you can simplify LBW. And there will need to be a whole new set of TV commentators who've never worked on cricket matches before, so that they don't use the traditional terminology by mistake. Anything more complicated than that will put off this whole new audience they're so keen to attract.
Excellent post, you speak for all genuine cricket lovers.
Lynda
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Who needs this rubbish anyway.
My club had their first all stars session of the year yesterday. 19 under 9s with parents outside enjoying cricket basses games. Make the real thing available and promoted properly and they will come.
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Who needs this rubbish anyway.
My club had their first all stars session of the year yesterday. 19 under 9s with parents outside enjoying cricket basses games. Make the real thing available and promoted properly and they will come.
Not in the UK presumably?
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Who needs this rubbish anyway.
My club had their first all stars session of the year yesterday. 19 under 9s with parents outside enjoying cricket basses games. Make the real thing available and promoted properly and they will come.
That's exactly what Steve and I said when this was first mooted. The powers-that-be were banging on about the T20 not taking off as well as they'd hoped, so they were going to introduce a new competition with all the bells and whistles and free-to-air TV and lots of publicity, and we opined that T20 would have been a success with all that assistance.
Lynda
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Who needs this rubbish anyway.
My club had their first all stars session of the year yesterday. 19 under 9s with parents outside enjoying cricket basses games. Make the real thing available and promoted properly and they will come.
Not in the UK presumably?
Yes we were outside playing intro games in West Essex
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They won’t go anywhere near Chelmsford. Graves hates us, we’re mouthy, not afraid to step away from the party line and have a rubbish ground (not the soulless bowls that the ECB love). They’ll go to the South West, the fact that they don’t have a franchise in that part of the country was strange in the first place.
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We were watching the BBC News Channel this morning, just after 9.30am. Sports news came on: football, women's football, boxing - everything but our national team winning a match abroad. Does Mr Harrison know how the BBC regards cricket?
Lynda and Steve
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We were watching the BBC News Channel this morning, just after 9.30am. Sports news came on: football, women's football, boxing - everything but our national team winning a match abroad. Does Mr Harrison know how the BBC regards cricket?
Lynda and Steve
Same as BBC Radio 5 Live. All about the Football Premier League games last night with about one minute of reporting at 8.59. But the '100' will solve this issue so no worries.
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We were watching the BBC News Channel this morning, just after 9.30am. Sports news came on: football, women's football, boxing - everything but our national team winning a match abroad. Does Mr Harrison know how the BBC regards cricket?
Lynda and Steve
Same as BBC Radio 5 Live. All about the Football Premier League games last night with about one minute of reporting at 8.59. But the '100' will solve this issue so no worries.
The answer is probably YES and he approves
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It’s because Sky have the rights so therefore they don’t acknowledge its existence. Interested to see that players in the 100 will have to pay 12.5 of their fee to their county for the privilege of playing in it.
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Do they consider it a privilege? They talk of 'drafting' them in, so it sounds like you won't get a choice, whether you like it or not.
Lynda
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I was trying to be ironic Lynda by saying privelege.
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Do they consider it a privilege? They talk of 'drafting' them in, so it sounds like you won't get a choice, whether you like it or not.
Lynda
They'll be paid lots so no complaints from the players.
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They'll be paid lots so no complaints from the players.
No flying half way round the world to carry the drinks either.
Bet RTD is well up for it.
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We were watching the BBC News Channel this morning, just after 9.30am. Sports news came on: football, women's football, boxing - everything but our national team winning a match abroad. Does Mr Harrison know how the BBC regards cricket?
Lynda and Steve
Same as BBC Radio 5 Live. All about the Football Premier League games last night with about one minute of reporting at 8.59. But the '100' will solve this issue so no worries.
Isn't the new game going to be on BBC or other 'Free" service? There's no way I'd travel for two hours each way, with three or four changes, plus entrance costs, to go and watch something at Lords. Proper cricket's one thing, but not this bumblepuppy!
And that two hours with Greater Anglia trains, so nothing's guaranteed.
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Well, perhaps we shouldn't be surprised. Given that the BBC is clearly focusing upon sports that have a) not been snapped up by SKY/other provider or b) a 'diversity' agenda (being cynical, this usually incorporates point (a), unless it is the EPL. Hence, suddenly BBC Sport's infatuation with NASCAR/NFL/NBA even the women's WWE division seemingly gets more coverage than cricket.
Whilst I appreciate that alternatives to traditional broadcasters exist (Amazon, Netflix etc.) are the ECB seriously going to overlook the BBC and are the latter wasting money on low grade 'entertainment' when they could fill a couple of hours with live sporting events???
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The BBC TV have got so little live sport they are desperate for anything. I'd bring back the indoor league. Would be a big hit with, say, Alan Partridge hosting.
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The BBC TV have got so little live sport they are desperate for anything. I'd bring back the indoor league. Would be a big hit with, say, Alan Partridge hosting.
Impressive. If AP's not available perhaps Chris Eubank. Skittles and bar billiards - and any other sport with plenty of 's' sounds...
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BBC TV's attitude to cricket is to treat it as a source of sensational "news" stories rather than a sport, eg they covered Gabriel's alleged homophobic remark to Root without any mention of the match result. Their radio coverage is a different matter but I wouldn't let them anywhere near televised cricket again.
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I wouldn't let them anywhere near televised cricket again.
Unfortunately, the ECB have - if you can call this rubbish 'cricket'.
Lynda
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The point that Graves, Harrison and all their consultants have consistently overlooked is that their "new audience" rarely watch BBC tv. They are far more likely to come across this thing if it was on You tube, Amazon or Netflix.
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The point that Graves, Harrison and all their consultants have consistently overlooked is that their "new audience" rarely watch BBC tv. They are far more likely to come across this thing if it was on You tube, Amazon or Netflix.
Certainly there’s a need to consider these alternatives, but how many people still watch mindlessly the likes of Strictly Come Dancing on the Beeb? we tend to forget that a lot of new broadcasters tend to obfuscate their viewing figures. Sky’s cricket viewing figures had been going down, BT has struggled as well, with a woefully unrealistic spending spree they now regret.
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Unfortunately, unless you fill the sides with so-called celebrities who most of us have never heard of, The Hundred definitely won't fall into the same category as Strictly Come Dancing, Andy!
Lynda
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Unfortunately, unless you fill the sides with so-called celebrities who most of us have never heard of, The Hundred definitely won't fall into the same category as Strictly Come Dancing, Andy!
Lynda
Well, I've got the impression that the Hundred is exactly that - cricketing 'celebrities' of varying quality playing for hastily constructed 'teams' that most established won't buy into: it's just lacking the fake tans, sequins and obligatory rumours of illicit affairs between participants.
...unless the ECB will be chasing the 'Pink Pound' ;)
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I'm sure sequins could be arranged.
Lynda
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The point that Graves, Harrison and all their consultants have consistently overlooked is that their "new audience" rarely watch BBC tv. They are far more likely to come across this thing if it was on You tube, Amazon or Netflix.
Certainly there’s a need to consider these alternatives, but how many people still watch mindlessly the likes of Strictly Come Dancing on the Beeb? we tend to forget that a lot of new broadcasters tend to obfuscate their viewing figures. Sky’s cricket viewing figures had been going down, BT has struggled as well, with a woefully unrealistic spending spree they now regret.
Speaking of that can you think anyone that's less suited to going on it than this guy? The Australian version.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6767777/DWTS-judge-Craig-Revel-Horwood-says-Sir-Curtly-Ambrose-needs-criticism-better.html
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If you think the Strictly ratings are good now, imagine how big they’ll be when Sir Chef finally does the show!
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https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/banner/english_cricket_must_not_abandon_its_fans_in_pursuit_of_a_new_audience.html
This article is preaching to the converted as far as the members of this forum are concerned but still worth a read.
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I wonder if the likes of Graves & Harrison read the type of comments on the Cricketer or on County Forums? Silly me , they won't because the plain truth will hurt them, most proper cricket fans DON'T want The Hundred, end of!!
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https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/banner/english_cricket_must_not_abandon_its_fans_in_pursuit_of_a_new_audience.html
This article is preaching to the converted as far as the members of this forum are concerned but still worth a read.
Thanks for this reference Mr Exile. Especially meaningful is the sentence about the ECB behaving
"like the rogue dictator of a central African state. "
And what do we read in today's "Times"? Mr Graves is trying to get his term of office extended by changing the ECB constitution. In other words, "like a rogue dictator....."
You couldn't make it up, as we have said many times here before.
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I think comparing Graves with the likes of Mugabe or Idi Amin is unfair, for the latter or the former????
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I think comparing Graves with the likes of Mugabe or Idi Amin is unfair, for the latter or the former????
At least Grave 7 Co have not killed anyone yet - only a sport.
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Steve made an interesting comment this morning: having the Lancs v Essex match at a ground some distance away from either participants' home has some similarities to the plans for The Hundred. Of course, most matches, other than quarter finals (if they have such things) won't be 300 miles from one of the participant's home ground, but the Lancs supporters' journey may be similar to the distances some supporters would have to travel even to home matches. It is also at short notice, which won't apply to The Hundred (except quarter finals or similar), but on the other hand it is between two established teams with long-established fan-bases, unlike The Hundred. But it will be interesting to see how many are in the ground.
Lynda and Steve